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PumpkinsGlow · 18/11/2023 14:43

Need to know if other people experience this, or if it's just me?
I'm in the upper age limit of primary school years. 2 DC in upper KS2.
For DS birthday I took him and a group of friends out to a local theme park for the day. 1 mum texted me 30 mins before leaving to say what do I need to send with my kid. I replied - only a water bottle and a warm hoodie, nothing else as everything else is covered by us, food etc, and the entrance fee has already been pre-booked and paid for by us. I had already covered this information in my invite, but I accept that people read and then forget by the time the date comes round. The mum replied ok, thanks. 5 mins before we were due to leave, the mum texted again and said sorry, Sam can't come now, he's suddenly not feeling well. She said I'll pay for his entrance fee. At school pick up the next week i overheard Sam talking loudly to another kid that he went swimming on Saturday, the day of my DS's themepark birthday day out. He was animatedly telling the other kid about it, the flumes, etc and about how he had a McDonald's afterwards. He didn't notice me standing there listening. The mum never has paid me for his wasted entrance fee and has never mentioned it again.
Another kid came round to ours recently to play with my DS. This kid is 11 years old. Whilst here, he threw an almighty temper tantrum. No-one knew what it was about. He went from laughing and mucking about in the garden with my DS, to suddenly shouting, yelling, out of the blue, I witnessed it, there was nothing that happened to cause his tantrum. I was shocked to see it. He went out of control like a 2 year old's tantrum. It had all been convivial. His mum and me were sitting in my garden drinking tea and chatting. Kids were laughing and playing in garden. I'd just made a massive effort with a table full of lovely food that I'd cooked - all favourite things of the kid we'd invited round, I'd checked with his mum beforehand about what are his favourite foods and I made them all for us all to enjoy together. Plus i made lovely deserts. Then he spontaneously tantrumed, ran in to my house, trashed my DS's bedroom, threw a photo frame of my DS as a toddler across his room, my DS exclaimed "You've cracked it!!!" And the kid shouted "Good!!!" Then he kicked over my DS's really expensive toy crane and broke it, then ran into my little DD's bedroom and trashed it and TORE THE HEAD OFF OF HER NEW DOLL that she'd literally just been given as a present the week before which she was in love with, he tore it off! Then laughed at her when she burst into tears and then threw all her cuddly toys down the stairs and kicked them all over the place. DD was crying her eyes out. I mean, he was going off his head and started screaming "GET ME HOME! GET ME HOME!" to his mum. It was mayhem. My DS looked shell-shocked and was on his knees trying to repair his broken crane and worrying about his cracked photo frame. I was trying to console my DD and was in shock at what had been done to her new doll and the fact that my house had been trashed by this yelling 11 year old. The mum said "Ohhhh, sweetie, has something upset you? There, there, it's ok, are you sad? Tell me sweetie, it's ok...."
I was thinking "It's not fucking ok".
She said they ought to leave, and left without any, and I mean any, apology.
Next day the mum texted and said can I send her the details of the doll her DS broke and she'll replace it. I thought OK, I'm pissed off but at least you're doing the right thing by replacing the broken doll. So I sent her a link immediately. That was the last I heard. She never did replace it and I've never heard from her since. I've texted twice and got no reply.
So I've replaced the doll myself, which was expensive.
Another time, my younger DD had a friend round. The mum stayed for coffee. DD and friend were playing on the floor with a Sylvanian caravan which had been newly bought by me, anyone who knows Sylvanians knows they are expensive. Then I heard a loud "SNAP" and DD cried out "Oh you've broken my caravan!" I went to look. Indeed, the child had snapped the entire caravan door and completely broken off the hinges, all completely snapped broken. I picked it up to examine the damage and whilst I tried not to make a scene, I could feel my expression must have looked a bit upset....I'd saved up for that caravan. The child said NOTHING by way of an apology. Then the mum looked at it and merrily said "Oh don't worry! You can easily just glue it back together again!" And smiled happily at her kid. NO APOLOGY given by the mum to my DD or to me. Then they ate our food and went home. I never could repair it with glue, the hinges had snapped into little pieces and was unrepairable. DD has never been able to use it since. The mum has never mentioned it since.
Another kid came over. He played with my DS's remote control car. He purposely kept the control handset pushed on at fastest speed whilst gripping the wheels of the car to stop them from spinning round, DS kept telling him to stop, I told him to stop, he didn't stop, then the motor made a fizzling noise and the whole car and handset died. He'd burnt the motor out. Dead. Broken. His mum witnessed the whole thing, then smiled serenely at her kid and said in a singsong voice "Well now Ted, that's what happens when we're rough with toys! Let's learn from that shall we!" They left with no apology and no replacement of the broken car.
Another mum has been texting me relentlessly to complain that our 2 children had a squabble at school and that she wants us to sort it out together and support them and 'counsel them through their fallout'. WTF? They were playing together again the next day! Which I've said. But she won't stop texting me to say we still need to counsel them so that they can learn and develop and so we can "build in measures to ensure they don't fall out again". But they will fall out again. Because kids fall out. She made it clear she didn't like it when I said that though. I've had numerous texts from her about it. She fully admits it's not my DC's fault, she says she wants her DC to learn from fall outs.
I could go on for 2 or 3 pages with endless examples.
In my own world, with friends of my own who are not 'mum' friends, life is nothing like this. Myself and my long term friends all have strong value systems. Moral codes. A strong sense of responsibility. In any one of the above situations, I would have been profusely apologising and instantly replacing the broken stuff. So would all of my friends. I would have been helping to tidy up the trashed house. I would have been making my DC apologise. I would have gone round the next day with flowers in all the above situations. I would never be hassling a mum with texts insisting we counsel our children after a basic uncomplicated fall out when they were friends again the next day. None of my friends would do that either.
I feel like I've stepped into some sort of weird twilight world where no-one reacts in a real life way.
Help!

OP posts:
Iceache · 18/11/2023 19:13

WhatHaveIDoneNo3 · 18/11/2023 16:08

I lived in an affluent area for a while…. The more educated/affluent the parents were the less control they had on their kids. They saw their kids as little darlings, babied them and generally let them run amok 🙈

I’m not sure this is true. We live in a very affluent area and I don’t know a single child like this. The worst behaviour we’ve had is not sitting down to eat and tipping baskets of toys out onto the floor - messy and irritating, but not the end of the world.

OP, I rarely did play dates for this reason - we used to meet up on neutral ground mostly. Kids trash houses when they’re together and little. I suspect you’ve had a run of bad luck though with particularly ‘gentle’ parents (ie no discipline, boundaries or consequences)

GentlemanJay · 18/11/2023 19:34

Simple. Stop having "play dates" for your kids.

SALWARP2023 · 18/11/2023 19:41

I'd stop playmates at home for a while. Take them out onto neutral territory and keep them short. All my DS friends were difficult and I hated playdates.

fishshop · 18/11/2023 20:57

You absolutely can tell other people’s kids off and you can clearly express to the parents that it’s not acceptable and they need to leave/replace things

if this is real, you sound utterly passive and a pushover and no wonder you are surrounded by dickheads

if someone says they’ll pay you money- chase them

if a child is acting out- end the playdate

if a parent is unreasonable- tell them

jolaylasofia · 18/11/2023 21:31

never had moms and kids over so no never happened. i find the whole play dates with parents very strange

coldcallerbaiter · 18/11/2023 21:34

Not this bad but had a few of dc friends that were destructive. The only way to avoid it is to be in the room and watch them, which is impossible and so I found they scratched the wood floor or emptied a wardrobe etc

if the were rude or had a tantrum, I did not put up with it, behave or I will tell your mum and you won’t be invited back, that surprised them.

It’s why I never had parties at home, too many and they put hands on walls and spill stuff.

PlipPlopChoo · 18/11/2023 22:21

Those mums are appalling and please do not consider allowing that 11 year old boy back under any circumstances.

However you should never have allowed your young DD to play with her treasured Sylvanian's with another young child. That was asking for trouble.

Sceptre86 · 19/11/2023 07:33

I pack away expensive or special toys before we have other kids over. They are allowed to play in either the garden, living room or the bedroom of the child they are visiting. All other rooms are off limits. Most people around here drop their kids off rather than stay which I prefer. I then don't need to entertain the adult and can actually keep an eye on the kids. Any kid that trashes my house is not welcome again.

You need firmer boundaries and stop inviting the parents if they want to come along then do softplay a cafe or park instead.

distinctpossibility · 19/11/2023 09:06

"The more educated/affluent the parents were the less control they had on their kids."

I think I might reach that conclusion too. Or it's an AI post 😂

Pretty miffed at all the mentions of neurodiversity - have many neurodivergent kids in my life (including one of my own) and they are not allowed to be destructive in this way. I know when you've met one ND person you've met one ND person but it is still possible to implement boundaries and consequences. These don't sound like kids in autistic meltdown or shutdown really; parents in my experience do still proactively minimise damage to other people's property, even in those horrendous moments.

shivawn · 19/11/2023 09:41

It's very odd that you have had so many experiences like this. I might be on the other end of the extreme in that I've luckily only ever had positive experiences with playdates and making mum friends.

Other mum's are just mum's the same as you, they're not some badly behaved subgroup.

CoffeeCantata · 19/11/2023 14:52

As for the people suggesting the OP is made-up, I can only conclude that either

  • they have never lived in a very affluent area where parents are influenced by every parenting trend and just cannot imagine that anyone might find having their property/toys destroyed would ever be a problem (just replace them, surely?)
  • or THEY are exactly the type of parent which OP is describing.
I've met quite a few like this myself.

A child stole a very, very precious little toy of my daughter's (part of a set and irreplaceable, given by someone no longer with us) and parent allowed them to take it home. When I kindly and tactfully asked for it back, the response was not an apology but 'Oh, but Emma SO loves it! I'd hate to take it from her!'.

So that's OK then.

Unbelievable, but true!

Itsbritneybitch22 · 19/11/2023 15:08

Stop inviting children over.

You should start telling these mum’s about how awful these children have been then if their child does it they know you’re gonna tell everyone and tell their children off 😂

Why didn’t you tell the mums at the time that this isn’t good enough and follow up about the things they said they will pay for?

Itsbritneybitch22 · 19/11/2023 15:09

And I don’t think this is made up I have had loads of situations like this in the past, people are no good at telling their children off for some reason.

RedCoatSearch · 19/11/2023 15:35

My dc is a late teen now but I understand what you mean & we also experienced some dreadful behaviour during the years we had playdates.

And mostly while the other mother was there too.

One memorable evening a neighbour called by with her 3 kids unexpectedly. I think she was inviting my dc to one of her kids birthday party.

We live rurally so she'd driven from her house to ours. We'd were in the kitchen as we'd just had dinner when she came by unexpectedly.

She got her 3 kids out of the car & the 4 of them were standing on the doorstep. Being neighbourly I said come in for a minute...

The kids barrelled past me straight into the kitchen and before you could blimk they had picked up a big basket of my dcs small toys (lego, sylvanians etc) & tipped it out all over the kitchen floor. As soon as they'd done that they opened the lid of the toy chest we used to have in the kitchen & started rifling through it flinging stuff out left & right.

It all happened incredibly fast - the mother just stood in the middle of this chaos & kept blathering on..I remember thinking I can't believe she's letting them do this...and expecting her to tell them to stop & to tidy up.

She did neither..in the end I said to her 'hold on a minute,..then said to thr kids stop emptying stuff out onto the floor! No more! This is a dreadful mess.

She just stood there sort of rolling her eyes in a 'kids, huh!' Manner & then mildly said come on kids we have to call to x's house next' & off they went without picking up a single thing

They were there about 7 minutes & TRASHED the kitchen with toys which had scattered under all the furniture when they tipped the basket from a standing position.

Another time those same kids called at Halloween trick or treating & they had cousins with them so about 7 of them in a group. We used to get fair few kids calling & I always had a big bowl of sweets on the table inside the door. Again the mother gets out of the car & while she's taking to me I spot her oldest kid who was about 10 then empty the contents of the bowl of sweets into his treat bag. I told him he couldn't take them all as it left none for anyone else. He said he hasn't taken that many & now they were all mixed up in his bag so he didn't know which was which

I was uncomfortable arguing with him in front of his mother & she just laughed & told him he'd have a tummy ache eating so many sweets & off they went

I used to pretend to not be at home when I saw her coming

Another time we were in a classmates garden. The kids were about 5 or 6. The kid whose house we'd been invited to was a v jealous sort of character & she pushed my dd who fell face first into a big patch of nettles (County garden). Dd was v badly stung. Me & the mum were also in the garden when this happened & it all happened in the blink of an eye.

I was trying to calm poor dd down to get look at how bad it was. The other mum never said a word to get kid. She Brough out some sweets to distract dd so I could put some calamine lotion on. Dd was hiccup crying by then & put her hand out to the plate the other mum was offering. As she went to pick a sweet the other kid snatched the one she was going for & growled 'that's mine'..actually growled it dd got a fright & snatched back her arm & then refused any sweets. The other mum said in a singsong voice oh Caroline don't do that. It's not nice

We went home straight away & dd refused to go there again.

BoohooWoohoo · 19/11/2023 15:44

People (like me) think that this is a made up story because it smacks of a journalist testing an article about how mums of under 10s don't parent properly any more.

I'd be concerned if my kids kept inviting kids who behaved like this because it would make me wonder how they were behaving when I wasn't there. My kids are older but the worst thing one of their friends did was to sneak into my room and borrow one of my bras for a game. Bra was undamaged and immediately handed over without a fuss when I saw that they had it.

Recently there was a long thread about behaviour in schools being shockingly bad. The stories on there are of students and parents like the ones in your OP.

Did your kids have no clue that their friends were "wild"? I can't believe that you can know someone for 6 years and they have never suddenly flipped at a party, at their house or in the playground.

In your shoes I would be telling my kids that if they want to see friends out of school then it has to be somewhere out of the house. Considering how unlucky your family seem to be, that's the least that you should do.

wowsers6 · 19/11/2023 15:46

Where do your kids go to school?

It might be worth downsizing your home to move somewhere smaller in a nicer catchment area so that your DC are influenced by children whose parents behaviour standards you agree with more.

It's expensive, but I think given the rough run you've had it must be the area your kids go to school in. Peers have a lot of influence over your own children, even if it is just to make their lives miserable rather than affect how they behave.

Bloodyhellmate · 19/11/2023 16:43

OMG this is absolutely crazy. If a kid was doing that in my room I would be giving them a stern talking to. If that is what they are like with their parent around, what are they like at school 😬.

MidnightOnceMore · 19/11/2023 16:47

I've never had a single experience like this.

PumpkinsGlow · 19/11/2023 18:45

BoohooWoohoo · 19/11/2023 15:44

People (like me) think that this is a made up story because it smacks of a journalist testing an article about how mums of under 10s don't parent properly any more.

I'd be concerned if my kids kept inviting kids who behaved like this because it would make me wonder how they were behaving when I wasn't there. My kids are older but the worst thing one of their friends did was to sneak into my room and borrow one of my bras for a game. Bra was undamaged and immediately handed over without a fuss when I saw that they had it.

Recently there was a long thread about behaviour in schools being shockingly bad. The stories on there are of students and parents like the ones in your OP.

Did your kids have no clue that their friends were "wild"? I can't believe that you can know someone for 6 years and they have never suddenly flipped at a party, at their house or in the playground.

In your shoes I would be telling my kids that if they want to see friends out of school then it has to be somewhere out of the house. Considering how unlucky your family seem to be, that's the least that you should do.

What a horrible post, with a nasty final sentence.
You sound really unkind.

OP posts:
PumpkinsGlow · 19/11/2023 18:53

wowsers6 · 19/11/2023 15:46

Where do your kids go to school?

It might be worth downsizing your home to move somewhere smaller in a nicer catchment area so that your DC are influenced by children whose parents behaviour standards you agree with more.

It's expensive, but I think given the rough run you've had it must be the area your kids go to school in. Peers have a lot of influence over your own children, even if it is just to make their lives miserable rather than affect how they behave.

OMG.
My kids go to school in a really nice area.
We live in a really nice area.
I'm getting really irritated by the amount of people jumping on the kids behaviour. It totally misses my point. I'm not complaining about the kids. I'm complaining about THE PARENTS.
I was trying to refrain from depicting what type of parents they have all been, because it shouldn't matter. But they are all well educated professionals living in very nice houses in a lovely semi rural area in a very expensive part of the country.
The people saying "Ive never experienced this", or who are saying that this is made up, or that I'm a journalist, are bizarre. Are you so tunnel visioned that you think that if YOU PERSONALLY haven't experienced a situation then it means that situation can't possibly exist???? It's the most bizarre interpretation of someone sharing their experiences that I've ever encountered!

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avocadotofu · 19/11/2023 18:59

Wow that's really awful OP. DS5 has friends over quite often and nothing like that has even happened. Everyone has been careful with his things and the parents have spoken to them if they are doing things they shouldn't. I'm sorry you've encountered such rude people!

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