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PumpkinsGlow · 18/11/2023 14:43

Need to know if other people experience this, or if it's just me?
I'm in the upper age limit of primary school years. 2 DC in upper KS2.
For DS birthday I took him and a group of friends out to a local theme park for the day. 1 mum texted me 30 mins before leaving to say what do I need to send with my kid. I replied - only a water bottle and a warm hoodie, nothing else as everything else is covered by us, food etc, and the entrance fee has already been pre-booked and paid for by us. I had already covered this information in my invite, but I accept that people read and then forget by the time the date comes round. The mum replied ok, thanks. 5 mins before we were due to leave, the mum texted again and said sorry, Sam can't come now, he's suddenly not feeling well. She said I'll pay for his entrance fee. At school pick up the next week i overheard Sam talking loudly to another kid that he went swimming on Saturday, the day of my DS's themepark birthday day out. He was animatedly telling the other kid about it, the flumes, etc and about how he had a McDonald's afterwards. He didn't notice me standing there listening. The mum never has paid me for his wasted entrance fee and has never mentioned it again.
Another kid came round to ours recently to play with my DS. This kid is 11 years old. Whilst here, he threw an almighty temper tantrum. No-one knew what it was about. He went from laughing and mucking about in the garden with my DS, to suddenly shouting, yelling, out of the blue, I witnessed it, there was nothing that happened to cause his tantrum. I was shocked to see it. He went out of control like a 2 year old's tantrum. It had all been convivial. His mum and me were sitting in my garden drinking tea and chatting. Kids were laughing and playing in garden. I'd just made a massive effort with a table full of lovely food that I'd cooked - all favourite things of the kid we'd invited round, I'd checked with his mum beforehand about what are his favourite foods and I made them all for us all to enjoy together. Plus i made lovely deserts. Then he spontaneously tantrumed, ran in to my house, trashed my DS's bedroom, threw a photo frame of my DS as a toddler across his room, my DS exclaimed "You've cracked it!!!" And the kid shouted "Good!!!" Then he kicked over my DS's really expensive toy crane and broke it, then ran into my little DD's bedroom and trashed it and TORE THE HEAD OFF OF HER NEW DOLL that she'd literally just been given as a present the week before which she was in love with, he tore it off! Then laughed at her when she burst into tears and then threw all her cuddly toys down the stairs and kicked them all over the place. DD was crying her eyes out. I mean, he was going off his head and started screaming "GET ME HOME! GET ME HOME!" to his mum. It was mayhem. My DS looked shell-shocked and was on his knees trying to repair his broken crane and worrying about his cracked photo frame. I was trying to console my DD and was in shock at what had been done to her new doll and the fact that my house had been trashed by this yelling 11 year old. The mum said "Ohhhh, sweetie, has something upset you? There, there, it's ok, are you sad? Tell me sweetie, it's ok...."
I was thinking "It's not fucking ok".
She said they ought to leave, and left without any, and I mean any, apology.
Next day the mum texted and said can I send her the details of the doll her DS broke and she'll replace it. I thought OK, I'm pissed off but at least you're doing the right thing by replacing the broken doll. So I sent her a link immediately. That was the last I heard. She never did replace it and I've never heard from her since. I've texted twice and got no reply.
So I've replaced the doll myself, which was expensive.
Another time, my younger DD had a friend round. The mum stayed for coffee. DD and friend were playing on the floor with a Sylvanian caravan which had been newly bought by me, anyone who knows Sylvanians knows they are expensive. Then I heard a loud "SNAP" and DD cried out "Oh you've broken my caravan!" I went to look. Indeed, the child had snapped the entire caravan door and completely broken off the hinges, all completely snapped broken. I picked it up to examine the damage and whilst I tried not to make a scene, I could feel my expression must have looked a bit upset....I'd saved up for that caravan. The child said NOTHING by way of an apology. Then the mum looked at it and merrily said "Oh don't worry! You can easily just glue it back together again!" And smiled happily at her kid. NO APOLOGY given by the mum to my DD or to me. Then they ate our food and went home. I never could repair it with glue, the hinges had snapped into little pieces and was unrepairable. DD has never been able to use it since. The mum has never mentioned it since.
Another kid came over. He played with my DS's remote control car. He purposely kept the control handset pushed on at fastest speed whilst gripping the wheels of the car to stop them from spinning round, DS kept telling him to stop, I told him to stop, he didn't stop, then the motor made a fizzling noise and the whole car and handset died. He'd burnt the motor out. Dead. Broken. His mum witnessed the whole thing, then smiled serenely at her kid and said in a singsong voice "Well now Ted, that's what happens when we're rough with toys! Let's learn from that shall we!" They left with no apology and no replacement of the broken car.
Another mum has been texting me relentlessly to complain that our 2 children had a squabble at school and that she wants us to sort it out together and support them and 'counsel them through their fallout'. WTF? They were playing together again the next day! Which I've said. But she won't stop texting me to say we still need to counsel them so that they can learn and develop and so we can "build in measures to ensure they don't fall out again". But they will fall out again. Because kids fall out. She made it clear she didn't like it when I said that though. I've had numerous texts from her about it. She fully admits it's not my DC's fault, she says she wants her DC to learn from fall outs.
I could go on for 2 or 3 pages with endless examples.
In my own world, with friends of my own who are not 'mum' friends, life is nothing like this. Myself and my long term friends all have strong value systems. Moral codes. A strong sense of responsibility. In any one of the above situations, I would have been profusely apologising and instantly replacing the broken stuff. So would all of my friends. I would have been helping to tidy up the trashed house. I would have been making my DC apologise. I would have gone round the next day with flowers in all the above situations. I would never be hassling a mum with texts insisting we counsel our children after a basic uncomplicated fall out when they were friends again the next day. None of my friends would do that either.
I feel like I've stepped into some sort of weird twilight world where no-one reacts in a real life way.
Help!

OP posts:
gooseberryganache · 18/11/2023 16:11

Well a lot of kids these days are little shits because they have no boundaries. These parents will take no accountability for it and will seek answers from the doctors in the form of an ADHD or SEN diagnosis. Sad.

Kastri · 18/11/2023 16:12

You are being too passive.If the parent wont stop it immediately you have to.Wouldnt bother me if they didnt like it.If bad behaviour started they would be out the door.

Butsheisnot · 18/11/2023 16:17

Is this an AI post?

Anyway. If not, I'd have given up having people over long ago. It reads as if you and your children are wide eyed innocents, kindly extending your hospitality while an unusually large number of badly behaved children trash your house with you and your children looking on, distraught. Whilst not actually standing up for yourselves.

goodkidsmaadhouse · 18/11/2023 16:20

Is this an AI post? 😂😂😂

CaptainJackSparrow85 · 18/11/2023 16:22

You overegged this one a bit OP 🤣

Danascully2 · 18/11/2023 16:23

Some of these eg the caravan door and the playing in the wardrobe sound like they could just be normal playing and excitement at being somewhere different. The 11 year old throwing a full on tantrum and tearing the head off a doll - definitely not normal playdate behaviour. And while there could he reasons for that behaviour (neurodiversity being the obvious one), all the parents I know of children with SEN would be mortified and profusely apologetic if their child had broken things and upset a younger child like that.
I find having other children round quite stressful but haven't ever had anything like that.

Strugglingtodomybest · 18/11/2023 16:27

PumpkinsGlow · 18/11/2023 15:57

You're quick to judge.
I am friends with the mum. We go for coffee, walks, etc. together. It was supposed to be a nice opportunity for us to catch up and see each other. There were also 2 little children involved at that occasion and she wanted to stay with her little child who was playing with my little child.
Not the point of the thread, but still.

Sorry, from the way you described it in your original post, it didn't sound like you'd ever met them before. Shame you lost a friend over it.

ThisIsMe202 · 18/11/2023 16:30

In all the situations you describe I would have been jumping in to verbally and/or physically if necessary prevent the children from causing further destruction.

never mind if their mother is there - if the mum is ineffectual then you as the responsible parent and host have to step in.

I have no qualms about telling off other people’s children in my own house if I feel they’re being too rough or risk damaging toys or anything else.

Couldyounot · 18/11/2023 16:34

You know some proper dickheads, OP

ChocHotolate · 18/11/2023 16:35

Couldyounot · 18/11/2023 16:34

You know some proper dickheads, OP

The perfect answer to many threads on here 😂

Dweetfidilove · 18/11/2023 16:43

🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾 I’ve never encountered anything like this.

Why didn’t you ask them to leave? Why are you still inviting people round?

The park should be the extent of your shared activities, because I would even set foot in their houses. Doesn’t sound safe 😳

Dweetfidilove · 18/11/2023 16:43

Couldyounot · 18/11/2023 16:34

You know some proper dickheads, OP

Right 😳🤦🏾‍♀️😀

SpaceRaiders · 18/11/2023 16:53

People are CF of given half a chance. Forget about locking stuff away, you need to be more selective about who you allow in your house. Equally once someone shows themselves to be a CF don’t invite said kid or parent back again. Maybe arrange to meet at a park with a cafe instead.

GauntJudy · 18/11/2023 16:56

WhatHaveIDoneNo3 · 18/11/2023 16:08

I lived in an affluent area for a while…. The more educated/affluent the parents were the less control they had on their kids. They saw their kids as little darlings, babied them and generally let them run amok 🙈

Agree. In my expereince its the extremely middle class, well off parents who can't bear to tell their little darlings "no". I had a mum visit with her two nightmares, they rubbed paint into my sofa. Her suggestion? "Turn the cushions around". Ffs.

Going on day trips with them involves hourly offering of sweets and treats.

I assume they think everyone can replace broken stuff.

anon2134 · 18/11/2023 17:02

WhatHaveIDoneNo3 · 18/11/2023 16:08

I lived in an affluent area for a while…. The more educated/affluent the parents were the less control they had on their kids. They saw their kids as little darlings, babied them and generally let them run amok 🙈

This is true.

EverythingYouDoIsaBalloon · 18/11/2023 17:03

Xmaspenguin · 18/11/2023 14:54

I didn't even read the full post.

You don't leave the expensive, cherished and irreplaceable stuff out when other kids come around. It gets locked in your room.

Whatever happened to teaching kids that you don't touch things that don't belong to you? Unless you're invited to (e.g. friends playing together with toys), and then you treat other people's belongings with care.

And the parents of the kid that trashed the rooms need to get some sort of help for him pronto, he sounds desperately in need of it.

Rosme · 18/11/2023 17:08

I’ve never met anyone who behaves like this. Have had a zillion playdates with all sorts of children, from millionaires’ kids to kids relying on food banks, and have not encountered this type of behaviour at all. 🤷‍♀️

If this is real then you live in a very strange area OP.

Screamingabdabz · 18/11/2023 17:19

Jeez they would be struck off my play date list permanently. I wish there would be a culture change in this idiotic application of ‘gentle parenting’ and not telling kids off.

Children’s ‘mental health’ is much better where parents are fully in charge and model values that help them live in community. We are raising such a narcissistic and entitled generation with no consideration of others. It’s depressing.

SandyWaves · 18/11/2023 17:20

PumpkinsGlow · 18/11/2023 15:43

Hmm, no, I don't tell THEIR kids off....because in every situation their mum has been right there in the room.
These are well educated mothers.
It's bizarre.
Oh the posts telling me to lock stuff in my bedroom, I did just that! We'd had all these disastrous play dates, so before the next one with yet another different kid, I got my DC to put all treasured or expensive stuff on to my bed. I shut the door (admittedly no lock, I don't have a lock on my bedroom door).
I said to the kid "You are not allowed to go into my bedroom ". I said to his mum "I've said they're not to go into my bedroom cos there's stuff in there I don't want them to play with". An hour later, the kid had gone into my room, had THROWN every single thing off my bed that I'd put on there for safe keeping onto the floor and was jumping up and down on my double bed. My DC alerted me to this. I walked in and said "James! I said you mustn't come in here!" He laughed hysterically and wouldn’t come out. My duvet and pillows were all over the floor. I was furious, he wouldn’t listen to me so I went and got his mum. She came upstairs and gently, sweetly, asked him very nicely to come out of the room. It took her 45 mins to get him out by sweetly, plaintively asking. I left her to it. They eventually left my house with no apology. I went back upstairs to my bedroom expecting her to have tidied it up. Nope. My duvet and pillows were still on the floor, along with everything else. I spent 30 mins tidying my room. Then I remembered, my DD had left her 1st baby tooth thstchad come out that morning under MY pillow for the tooth fairies earlier that day. I checked....and it was gone. Vanished. Lost in the mayhem of him trashing my bed and jumping all over it. I searched everywhere for her tooth, I pulled off the mattress, I pulled out the bedframe, I looked in the bedlinen.....I never did find it. It broke my heart. Still does. It was so sentimental to me.

Edited

Not meaning to sound rude, but I'm finding all of this a bit far fetched.

Poudretteite · 18/11/2023 17:23

WTAF
Where do you live??
4 kids' worth of playdates and have never experienced this.

Thepeopleversuswork · 18/11/2023 17:29

The boy having the tantrum clearly has behavioural problems or has undiagnosed neurodivergence. That isn’t normal behaviour.

The rest of it: it sounds as if you need to be a bit tougher with people. Toys do get broken by young children occasionally. If it bothers you as much as it does you either put valuable things away or you hold the line with people when it does get broken and insist they pay you.

Lovemychair · 18/11/2023 17:30

Gosh , sounds errrmm , unbelievable

SpongeBabeSquarePants · 18/11/2023 17:36

I believe it as have seen this for myself.

Affluent kids are just like this. Feral. Parents have read too many books and are too permissive. They also WFH with iPad as the nanny so kids don't know how to behave.

Charlingspont · 18/11/2023 17:41

I had a similar party thing happen. Had booked 10 kids for an activity-type party. Cost approx. £18 per head, then a bit of food on top. All had accepted the invitation which had been given out 4 weeks earlier. On the day, I texted all mums to warn them there were roadworks on the way. Two texted back "oh whoops, sorry, what time are we supposed to be there" then when I texted back time, they said they'd try to make it but kids out shopping with dad and he's not answering phone. Needless to say, they didn't turn up. Two spaces paid for and wasted which could have gone to other children.

Some people just couldn't care less about others.

MercyIsEliminated · 18/11/2023 18:16

It's just you, I'm afraid.