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If you currently work from home or are hybrid, how much extra would you want p.a. to work from the office 5 days per week ?

248 replies

Cobwebs5 · 17/11/2023 10:57

If you currently work from home or are hybrid, how much extra would you want p.a. to work from the office 5 days per week ?

Just that really.

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justalittlesnoel · 17/11/2023 12:17

I work for the same company as pre covid, so I'm not sure they'd be amenable to me asking for more to be in 5 days a week!

However in my dream land, I'd want to end up with another £500pm post tax etc to pay for fuel costs, coffees and lunches - then I wouldn't notice any drop in my free cash, my mood however would definitely plummet 😂 a good £100 of that would be spent on consoling myself in coffee shops!!

Girlontherailreplacementbusservice · 17/11/2023 12:17

AlltheFs · 17/11/2023 11:59

We put in a log cabin garden office for under £15k. Much cheaper than an extension.

DH WFH full time (nothing to do with Covid) - it is heated and insulated and he has a sofa and TV. It’s also got amazing countryside views and sheep for company. Much better than any office workplace for us.

Ok so I would need 15k for the cabin plus however much it would cost to move to somewhere with space to build one.
WFH is great for some but if you don't have space to do it properly it can be damaging itself - it's not healthy to live and work in a studio flat or to never be able to completely put work out of your thoughts because you can always see your work station. Its great if you have a dedicated space you can shut the door on but that isn't the case for everyone.

WeekWeekWeek · 17/11/2023 12:18

Cobwebs5 · 17/11/2023 11:35

I was hoping answers would be along the lines of:-
I currently wfh 3 days per week, earn £100k p.a., my commute is 45 mins.
To return to the office 5 days per week I’d require an extra £50k p.a.

No worries if that’s not how people want the thread to progress.

Ok, in the spirit of answering how you want.

I’m currently working earning over £155k. I earn more than I need and WFH three days a week, spending two days in the office.
There is no amount that would make me consider returning to the office five days a week.

HAF1119 · 17/11/2023 12:20

I do 2 day per week in office. So 16 in office 32 from home. If I needed to go into office I would only do it on the basis of less hours per week because I don't want to put my child in additional childcare vs now. If the hours worked out the same as now (to include commute instead of work on the current home days) I would look for the additional money in expense to get to the office and nothing more. My hours are the more important part in terms of family/lifestyle

So essentially I'd need to drop from 40 to 34 hours to allow for the 6 hours additional commute time. And an increase of approx 8k a year

akkakk · 17/11/2023 12:22

Interesting responses, and mirrors what is being seen in the workplace...
however there is perhaps a luxury in many of these which is not available to all - if the employer insists and can do so contractually, a lot of those who feel this way will have no choice - and not all will have the luxury of being able to leave their job and survive without work / find another which allows home working.

Home working brings many advantages, but also many disadvantages and the quality of customer service from a number of organisations has plummeted as a result... it is quite obvious from the above that childcare / time / work life balance are all important factors, in some cases those things will be prioritised over working even when technically working from home - which is one reason why customer service has dropped, it just isn't possible for example to look after young children and answer the phone / be in an online meeting

It will be very interesting to see how much of seismic shift covid has caused - it has certainly forced companies to acknowledge that the technology is there to home work, but we haven't yet caught up with adapting culture and working practices... the biggest change driving the number of people at work (v. the trad. one parent at home model we used to have) has been property price increases - if more people can work from home and that become permanent it will tweak the property market, but we are unlikely to ever see a massive reduction in housing costs, so will need two people to earn for a mortgage for the foreseable future - and that might not always be in the model that people like...

LittleOwl153 · 17/11/2023 12:23

For me it would need to cover the additional childcare (to cover commute times/kids who need collecting but then very capable of being at home whilst i work), cost of commute and loss of time to that commute. Therefore how far away that office would be would make a huge difference.

So I'd be looking at:

£250+ car allowance to replace my car to something reliable
2x30miles/1 hours worth of petrol each day
£15 parking Each day

2hrs paid commute time
Plus the 45mins productivity at home loss of my lunch break

2 x £15 a day after school club

So I'd be looking at around £200 a day extra plus £250 a month to replace the car...

so for 20 days in a month £4250 a month... more than double my salary! and that would be really me 'breaking even'. Frightening really when you think about it what it costs us to 'go to work'!

user1471434829 · 17/11/2023 12:23

I don't think I'd do it for double my salary!!

MrsEdnaMcPherson · 17/11/2023 12:24

If you were office based pre Covid but your job was made WFH during lockdown and has since stayed that way - were you happy to take a pay cut?! I think not in the majority of cases!

BlowDryRat · 17/11/2023 12:24

BlowDryRat · 17/11/2023 12:05

Ok, after your update:

I work FT, with 2 days in the office and 3 at home. My current salary is just over £100k.

To get me in 5 days a week, I'd want someone to drive me so I can relax on the journey. A quick Uber tells me this is £50 one-way off-peak, so let's make it £70 for peak commuting times. That's £140 a day x 5 = £700 a week. I get 5 weeks A/L, so £700 x 47 weeks = £32900.

Add £30k for the inconvenience, pressure on my home life, lunches and laundry, that's £62900. Round that up to £65k.

To get an extra £65k a year take-home, add the 40% tax back on, so that's £91k extra on my salary please.

Edited

I forgot to add NI, so let's make it a simple £100k.

Wheeeeee · 17/11/2023 12:26

Cobwebs5 · 17/11/2023 11:27

To those of you saying that there is no amount of money that would make you go to the office 5 days a week, I’m fairly sure for most of you, there is a figure, even if it’s a ridiculously high figure.

My office is 300 miles away so there really is no figure!

HerRoyalNotness · 17/11/2023 12:26

I’ve been remote due to having part time hours and an hourly worker. The CEO wants everyone in every day is the party line even if our competitors offer remote and my team is in another country.

so I’ve been trying to go in 2x a week to show my face. The office GM doesn’t care and my functional boss is in another city. I do a 6hr day those days. Takes me an hour to get there in traffic, only 30mins to get home as I leave early. I do not want to go in any more than that. If I did it would be 6hr days only. I’ll do 8hrs at home if I need to get the work done. I’m too tired for the BS and have lots of after school stuff I need the energy for (have a chronic illness)

I’m looking for something else that has a party line of come in if you want, we won’t force it.

extra money is always good but you can’t make up for time which is what I’d rather have, hence looking for another job, half heartedly

MotherWol · 17/11/2023 12:26

I have a hybrid pattern, I'm typically in the office at least 3 days per week, sometimes it can be 5, depending on my workload. I really don't mind working in the office. However, I'd never consider a role that was fully office based and didn't allow for WFH at least 1 day per week, because I really value the flexibility to decide what's going to work best depending on the type of tasks I have to do. In my experience, any workplace that expects full time office presence doesn't have a good handle on what the staff are doing, and has confused being present with being productive. I value flexibility and an employer that trusts me, and understands what I'm doing well enough to spot if I'm not performing.

aswarmofmidges · 17/11/2023 12:29

Well guess if they would give me 2 million or so I'd do it for a year

500k probably not - I value my health and sanity

mewkins · 17/11/2023 12:30

Cobwebs5 · 17/11/2023 11:27

To those of you saying that there is no amount of money that would make you go to the office 5 days a week, I’m fairly sure for most of you, there is a figure, even if it’s a ridiculously high figure.

I'd want an extra 20k if I was going to go in every day. Really though I do not want a job where I'm in an office 5 days a week and I'd have to be really desperate to accept one.

Mumof2teens79 · 17/11/2023 12:31

Since covid some roles stayed hybrid and some had to return full time, no adjustment in salary from pre covid

PirateQueeny · 17/11/2023 12:33

I work an hour and 10 mins drive away. I would do it for a 50% pay increase. Also would require annual pay increases of 5% above inflation 😆

redskyanight · 17/11/2023 12:33

I prefer to work in the office and would want more money to work from home (at least to cover my additional heating and electricity costs).

However, I also wouldn't choose a job that didn't have the flexibility to work at home at least sometimes.

mummyh2016 · 17/11/2023 12:34

I do 3 days in the office and 2 days at home. I probably wouldn't want extra money to work in the office as I do prefer being there to WFH however due to family commitments I would have to reduce my hours. The office is a 30-45 minute drive away so I would need to start later and finish earlier on those two days but wouldn't be willing to take a pay-cut to accommodate less hours. I find WFH to be quite isolating and lonely.

Elastica23 · 17/11/2023 12:34

Six figures- as if I get promoted that's what I'll earn but I may have to be away from home/in the office FT to start with- but even then it will only be for a short period and I'll revert to three days in the office.

I haven't commuted full time for nearly 20 years. After I came back from mat leave I worked 3/4 days then had a WFH job, then when I went FT time here before the pandemic it was on the proviso that I would only ever come in to the office a maximum of three days a week.

I love London and love coming in to work but it doesn't make sense to do it every day, at all.

twistyizzy · 17/11/2023 12:34

Cobwebs5 · 17/11/2023 11:27

To those of you saying that there is no amount of money that would make you go to the office 5 days a week, I’m fairly sure for most of you, there is a figure, even if it’s a ridiculously high figure.

Actually no there isn't because my mental health is more important than money. I have anxiety and depression, being able to walk my dog in open fields at lunch helps me recharge and I have a very low tolerance for dealing with office politics. I have had 2 full breakdowns in my working life, both occured when I was working in offices.
Undoubtedly I could earn more if I was willing to travel to an office every day but life is too short for that!

RaininSummer · 17/11/2023 12:37

As someone whose job does not allow hybrid, customer facing civil service, I think it should be the opposite as in those WFH in same role should get lower pay to reflect my additional costs and hassle in having to be in office 5 days a week.

GonnaGetGoingReturns · 17/11/2023 12:39

I currently temp on contracts and have had an have interviews for permanent roles.

Ideally I’d prefer not to go into central London which is approx 1 hour commute 2 days a week at most and even if it’s nearer (the jobs perm I’m considering nearer) 1 I’d have to pay for all day parking and also factor in driving there or public transport. What I don’t like about London public transport is eg train timetables have been tweaked so they cut out or move some, plus fares go up. I don’t mind hybrid so not fully wfh though. No amount of extra money would make me commute full time into London 5 days a week.

I’m also on the older side (52) and most of my close friends are similar in their views.

ghostyslovesheets · 17/11/2023 12:45

It's not money for me!

Pre-pandemic my team had a private office - we deal with highly sensitive child protection stuff - we could sit together as a team, take phone calls, discuss issues, concerns and ask for advice/support

Post pandemic our building is now 100% hot desking - you have to book a desk, you aren't sat with your team, it's open plan - if you need to take and urgent call you have to find an available room - for meetings, even TEAMs you have to book a room

85% of my work meetings are still on TEAMs - the rest I travel to when they happen

My office is between 25mins and 1.5hrs+ away depending on the motorway issues (not able to get there by train) - why would I do that to sit in an empty room for TEAMs meeting or to sit next to a stranger (maybe from housing or debt management) and have to run round trying to find one of my team to have a hushed chat with about a child?

At home I am more efficient, can work confidentially (empty house) and take calls etc as they happen.

Give me back a safe office space and more face to face meetings and it wouldn't be an issue - but while it's actually, professionally, better for me to be at home I will be.

Ginmonkeyagain · 17/11/2023 12:46

I currently work hybrid - minimum of 3 days in the office and I am very happy with that mix.

Like some on here I would want more money of I was made full time WFH.

I haven't got a home office space so would need to set that up and be compensated for the subsequent loss of utility of that room.

I would wanr to be compensated for the loss of free tea and coffee, subsidised food, subsidised gym, standing desk, three monitors and other office benefits.

However as I live and work in London and don't have a car I see my commuting costs as indivisible from my general travel costs (a monthly zone 1-3 travel card)

twistyizzy · 17/11/2023 12:47

RaininSummer · 17/11/2023 12:37

As someone whose job does not allow hybrid, customer facing civil service, I think it should be the opposite as in those WFH in same role should get lower pay to reflect my additional costs and hassle in having to be in office 5 days a week.

Even if those who wfh do the same amount of work/fulfill their contracts etc? Salaries have never been based around travelling costs etc, it is a transactional relationship for your labour. There are increased costs to wfh eg heating, lighting, food and electricity