Rwanda plan

[AdamRyan]

Was just reading Suella Bravermans thoughts on how to make the Rwanda plan work, which involve sending staff there to review claims and pulling out of all human rights and refugee conventions.

The plan has cost £140m to Rwanda so far, plus £££££ in legal fees and so far we've sent no-one and found out its illegal. I'm very baffled as to why the government are pursuing it, I keep hearing that "most people" support it. So I thought I'd ask:

IABU: It's a priority as it will deter immigration and the government should spend whatever money and time it takes to deliver this

IANBU: The government should focus time/money on other priorities instead.

It’s going to be increasingly hard have a limited view as other countries pick up ways to deal with it as Italy has.

Or as events such as Dublin occur. Or rise in politics to the right.

I am not sure which country you live in, but the UK where many of us live, has had an increasingly right wing and authoritarian government for some years now and there is every indication they will be out at the next general election, replaced by a centre left party.

£2.4 million could be invested in education and public services to counteract a lot of that

People probably do think a vote makes us immune in some way, or somehow magics up easy and limited way to tackle it, I can’t see why it would.

Another point is it doesn’t actually take much to have an impact, hence some non Western leaders using people movement to help destabilise

And that's before you take into account the cost of judicial time and running the courts to hear these challenges, and the costs of civil servants and other Ministry officials in instructing lawyers, providing evidence etc. And further time and money in drafting the Rwanda bill and trying to force it through Parliament. You can probably add another 2/3 million to that figure at least.

Off shore processing is not the same as the Rwanda plan.

Do you think various other EU countries who don’t spend the 2.4m are countering it?

I certainly hope so

You are not worried about the rise of far right views?

https://x.com/bbcquestiontime/status/1732859070388797621?s=20

“Of all the hills to die on this is got to be the most ridiculous”

Writer, George Monbiot says the government have no intention of implementing the Rwanda Policy, but instead are using it as a distraction

I’m not sure hope is enough as anyone will see if they pick up world news.

I’m concerned about various things, border control no, I have dual citizenship we’ve done it for decades, it’s bi-partisan and Labor run on it now. A left leaning gov gets in with the same approach even if they don’t instigate.

Other ramifications of what I’m seeing, yes. Including the misconception from below on what people think is possible.

It's nothing to do with immigration, though - the Rwanda plan barely makes a dent in the immigration numbers themselves, and Sunak & Co know that.

It's designed to fail, because it's about winning the next election; the Tories are settings themselves up as the only ones trying valiantly to solve the problem of immigration (which they created, by the way) to save the country, while the entire establishment and all those damn lefties are trying to stop them at every turn.

And, totally in-character, they're willing to spend as much of the country's money as necessary to get there.

So you and me are the right kind of immigrants?

I hope I am too?

If you accept the premise of asylum seekers residing away from mainland UK whilst their claim is assessed, there is still a lot of British soil to choose from. At no doubt a fraction of the cost.

Hmm at this, fine if you think there should be no limits but how does it work in reality

I take it you can see what’s happening in the EU.

Do you think numbers will rise and how would you deal with it?

No, it’s coat £300 million so far. Another £50 mil due in April.
We’ll take 10 for £10 million, save you all a few bob.

What immigration are you talking about?

Refugees only?

Asylum yes. Given what’s happening in the EU, do you think numbers will continue to rise and how would you deal with it?

I am not in government but I would take climate change serious, increase foreign aid for starters. I don't know how to solve political instabilities but would not scapegoat victims of those regimes.
I would work together with other countries and start looking into solutions and partnerships.

What would you do?

How much do you think it would take to fund countries so people movement slowed? Some countries do fund a lot outside their own, it may increase somewhat but it’s not fixed, looking at US and funding

My take is there are no easy options, and I don’t think aid etc will do it, and politicians will be increasingly pressured to change existing law

Or work within it with other locations, until the law changes anyway

until the law changes anyway

Which law?

International

On your solution as nice as it sounds it does make me realise where people are at with what they think is possible.

On another note someone mentioned offshoring judicial process, is that certain idk

Rwanda isn't offshoring

And you are not offering any solutions so make fun of my ideas if that makes you feel better

Not really, just realising what solutions people see.

I don’t get that response, it was a question on where the judicial process will take place

@DuncinToffee so you mean work with governments to solve their own issues so people would stay put?

I hadn't thought about it that way....