Rwanda plan

[AdamRyan]

Was just reading Suella Bravermans thoughts on how to make the Rwanda plan work, which involve sending staff there to review claims and pulling out of all human rights and refugee conventions.

The plan has cost £140m to Rwanda so far, plus £££££ in legal fees and so far we've sent no-one and found out its illegal. I'm very baffled as to why the government are pursuing it, I keep hearing that "most people" support it. So I thought I'd ask:

IABU: It's a priority as it will deter immigration and the government should spend whatever money and time it takes to deliver this

IANBU: The government should focus time/money on other priorities instead.

Do you have a link to this? Sounds unusual that she's not in prison or at very least sacked from big issue selling and subject to conditions not to see this man

This plan could actually work were it is not for the choice of Rwanda itself

Not really. If they're planning on only sending 1,000 (a year is it?) people there then I think most of them would accept a 1 in 50 chance of being sent there. These are people who have usually risked at least two hazardous sea crossings in unsuitable boats after all.

I assume you reported her to the police and the Big Issue?

DuncinToffee
Really, you can't think of any alternative solutions to deporting refugees to Rwanda?

I can't think of any alternative solutions to deter tens/hundreds of thousands of asylum seekers wanting to come to the UK every year - no.

I see that your home country (you're Dutch) has parliamentary elections next week - immigration appears to be an important issue:

https://nltimes.nl/2023/11/18/majority-voters-want-limit-influx-asylum-seekers-study-shows
https://apnews.com/article/netherlands-election-migration-asylum-e3d33eab084ffdbc87b7501f11076ec8
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67399766

A clink to what?
I have posted about it before on here. He is a gentleman I help locally at the food bank. This has been going on for over ten years and yes the big issue are aware.... his family made a complaint..... and we spoke to the police and social services. Problem is he has capacity and thinks she is his friend.

We really have tried everything.

Thanks for reminding me that I am Dutch, duly noted.

Do you have any evidence of the Rwanda plan deterring refugees coming to the UK?

I don’t really understand why people are so against asylum seekers being given safe refuge in Rwanda. That is what they are apparently desperate for after all.

Rwanda benefits from investment, jobs and infrastructure if other European countries follow suit.

I assume there will be oversight to ensure humane treatment of refugees and Rwanda is not against an influx of people into their country who may have skills to boost their industry in the long term.

What exactly is the issue?

Without a link it's just another cool story bro

I am not a racist.
It's not a 'story' I live near the man and I posted about it looking for advice a couple of months ago (verifiable by Mumsnet) it's his unfortunate reality that now means he eats from a Foodbank.
And I am not your 'bro'

Well that's the opaque bit; either asylum seekers who come to the UK by boat but fairly, people note the UK is by dint of its geography, rarely the first safe country they reach. If you knew that if you entered the UK via boat that your claim would never be considered in the UK, that is a significant deterrent I think. I don't think that country can be Rwanda because of the limits of provision available.

My issues are 1) it is really expensive and we can't afford it 2) Rwanda has been found legally not to be safe 3) its really environmentally unfriendly 4) the government solution is to strip all of our human rights

I'd rather the government spent the money sorting out the backlog and making better arrangements with the EU to approach this as a shared problem, and kept our human rights in place

Oh, and also what another poster said upthread, which essentially is, its very colonial to export our problems to Africa to deal with.

@AdamRyan The Supreme Court was concerned that cases would not be heard properly and applicants would be returned directly or indirectly to the country where they came from. Sunak seems to want to declare Rwanda safe for refugees. To anyone studying the SC judgement, this feels ludicrous and clutching at straws. Whatever treaty or tweaks we do, we cannot make Rwanda deal with claimant efficiently and legally. We are therefore hitting rock bottom.

The best summary of the legal ruling and possible new legislation is found on the Institute for Government website.

That is of course exactly what I am suggesting.

Given the current government's consistent disregard for laws I am surprised they haven't started doing it already.

I’ve got a better idea. I own a good few acres of paddocks in the green belt. Lovely location for houses.

Well that's the other creepy issue with suspending human rights.

I doubt that many posting here know that their right to property is a human right as part of the ECHR.

Should that disappear or be suspended as is proposed for asylum seekers, then a future government could choose to suspend or ignore that element of human rights, and legislate to claim property.

The only person I could see doing that would have been Jeremy Corbyn.

And as it turns out Boris, Rishi and a host of other Tories have been found to have broken the law.

Oh yes, it's been a while since we had one of those.

But Jeremy Corbyn.

It is a very convincing argument.
I think I will write to Conseverative Campaign HQ and suggest they put it on a bus.

Tell me when either Rishi, Boris or any other MP actually stole houses? You are being ridiculous.

He believes in communism.

Or they could actually process the applications, deport the ineligible and let the eligible work but then they wouldn’t have a massive backlog of applicants to encourage the hard of thinking to vote for a government that has devastated the nhs and cut public services to the bone.

The French do house migrants in hotels, don't they?

But they have been trying to make the current system work for decades it is a complete mess, we are already spending £3 billion a year so it's not just about the money, the system needs a complete reset.