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Stingy husband

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AgentDanaScully · 15/11/2023 13:31

First time posting, so please be gentle (but honest!) My husband has always been overly cautious with money. He had quite a modest upbringing (definitely no growing up with a silver spoon in his mouth or handouts from the bank of mum and dad) and everything he has, he has earned, which I respect greatly. I work almost full time and have a good salary but he still earns about 3 times more than me. We both work hard and paid off our mortgage several years ago (we've been together 18 years and bought our first house 16 years ago).
We should be able to enjoy life more, but he is obsessed by saving! He wants to retire early, as do I, but there needs to be a balance. Other than a joint account for household bills/food etc, which we both pay into proportionate to income, we have always kept separate finances (his decision). For the last 12 years, I have paid for most of our two children's clothes, uniforms, and most of their activities (until I asked him to pay for some of their clubs a few years back as I was on a lower salary back then and constantly ending the month with nothing in my account, while he had loads of disposable income available). Last month, I showed him my personal account statement to evidence how many things I buy for the children and how little I spend on myself. He was a bit sheepish and offered to pay for the cleaner (another expense I have solely paid for the last 10 years) and the cat's food! He has now finally agreed that things for the children can come out of the joint account and we both top it up 50:50 at the end of the month. I questioned as to why it took this long for him to realise that the previous system was unfair, and he didn't really have an answer.
After I had my second child (now 10), I would've loved to have had a career break to be at home with her for a year or two, knowing we had the means to do it, but there was no commitment to sharing finances from my husband...he said it would be easier to have one parent stay at home, but when I asked him how this would work in practicality, say if I needed my hair cut or new clothes, and he laughed and said "oh, I'll give you a handout". I would've been reduced to asking him for money so I ended up leaving the career I had at the time as it wasn't compatible with family life and trying to set up a business whilst juggling two young children.
I am not by any stretch of the imagination a frivolous spender...I go to the hairdresser's two/three times a year and only buy new clothes (high street) when something literally wears out! The thought of having to ask him for the basics was too humiliating...this still grates on me all these years later.
I would love for us to move house which we can easily afford, but my husband is not interested. I am always careful what I order in restaurants as I still remember an incident years ago, when he criticised me for choosing the most expensive dish on the menu (I chose it because it was what I wanted to eat!) He wants to squirrel as much money away as possible, even though I have pointed out that life is short (my Mum died at 68) and sometimes, you have to live a bit in the here and now. I feel like he has the ultimate control on the purse strings because he is the one who contributes the most money (he pretty much said this at one point) and if he doesn't think something for the family is worthy of spending on, it doesn't happen. He is squirreling away crazy amounts into his pension, which he says will support us both to retire early before my pension kicks in. I worry about what will happen 20 years down the line as to how much he will dictate what we spend it on.
I get that I am in a very fortunate situation with everything going on in the world and I apologise if my post offends anyone. However, I am starting to wonder whether my husband is using finances as a means of control. He is a wonderful person in most other ways and an amazing Dad, but this is coming between us.
Is he right to want more control over the finances as he continues the most, or am I the one being unreasonable?

OP posts:
TheSpikySpinosaurus · 15/11/2023 16:45

He is completely unreasonable and financially controlling.

He's saying that his savings are more important than you or the dc.

All money should be pooled and you should have equal spending money.

He should have funded your pension when you were on maternity leave. Mine did.

He sounds awful. Why have you put up with this for so long??

TheSpikySpinosaurus · 15/11/2023 16:46

He should also be paying you back for his % of cleaner and kids costs over the past ten years.

And if he earns 3x what you do, you pay bills etc. proportionately.

TheSpikySpinosaurus · 15/11/2023 16:48

You are a team. You facilitated him going to work by running the home and the dc. You get equal say re all money things.

3luckystars · 15/11/2023 16:49

I would start by asking his full financial situation and ask for bank statements.
You would not do this to him so he shouldn’t be allowed do it to you.

Just because he earns more doesn’t mean he is the boss. If you divorced him you would be loaded. He needs to make things more equal, and your opinion is just as important as his.

Gloriousgardener11 · 15/11/2023 16:54

He’s going to change, his saving habit is a way of life for him and he hasn’t really shown you any sign of being open to altering it.

Vriddle · 15/11/2023 16:55

Divorce him and split the marital assets - which include 'his' savings. And the house. See a solicitor. A good one. And break free from this controlling, financially abusive twat.

Gloriousgardener11 · 15/11/2023 16:55

NOT going to change ! 🙄

Topseyt123 · 15/11/2023 17:01

He sounds like a miser. There is no balance here. Life is for living.

He'll continue like this when in retirement too.

Raffyash1 · 15/11/2023 17:19

My Dad was always like this and still is at 78. He will never change. Ever.

3luckystars · 15/11/2023 19:12

Imagine the retirement:

Him: Thanks to me, now we have so much money for our 70s

You: yes but I hate your guts now

Luxell934 · 15/11/2023 19:20

Whilst it’s obviously great to plan for the future, it’s not guaranteed. One or both of you could be dead by the time you retire. Your health could decline massively and not be able to do all the things you envisioned for your retirement. You could literally save and save and then not have any time to enjoy it together.

Make him understand life is for living, you seem in a great position and our mortgage free. You need to have a serious conversation about sharing your finances more fairly.

ISeeARedDoorAndIWantToBreakIn · 15/11/2023 19:20

TheSpikySpinosaurus · 15/11/2023 16:46

He should also be paying you back for his % of cleaner and kids costs over the past ten years.

And if he earns 3x what you do, you pay bills etc. proportionately.

He can pay that “back pay” straight into OP’s pension, then make sure he pays his way in future.

OP, you know he used to earn three times what you do - he may have had payrises since then that he’s not told you about, and may actually earn a lot more than you think he does. You’ve shown him your bank statement, now make him show you his bank statements, for ALL of his accounts.

Clarinet1 · 15/11/2023 19:23

I think you need to reset expectations. Explain that you don’t want to have to go cap-in-hand to him for every little thing. You should agree a split for the basic expenses, agree how much you get for personal things (hobbies, clothes, hair appointments) and how much you save - in an account to which you both have access; After all, if one of you were suddenly incapacitated, the other might need access ti
the funds.
However, if he won’t agree to this, then
lawyer up!

Concannon88 · 15/11/2023 19:26

Did this conversation not come up when you were getting married? Has he reneged on any financial arrangements?

Undisclosedlocation · 15/11/2023 19:30

In an equal partnership, neither person gets to dictate all the major life decisions with the other getting no say. Currently he gets to choose where you live,how you live,what you do and when you will retire
Thats not a marriage of 2 equals…..it’s a parent and child
only you can decide if you are prepared to live your entire life with someone else deciding how you live it. Personally, I couldn’t

FieldInWhichFucksAreGrownIsBarren · 15/11/2023 19:32

I literally could not live like this. He is financially controlling and this would have had me ditching years ago. Stinginess is a massive ick.
It's up to you what you do moving forward but I would absolutely be pointing out that he actually owes you for the years you solely paid for the cleaner and kids stuff as a bare minimum.

NalafromtheLionKing · 15/11/2023 20:04

You know he will do the same when you are actually retired, right? He has put it all into his own pension so will give you little begrudging “handouts” only when he approves of what you want to do/buy.

ShanghaiDiva · 15/11/2023 20:07

3luckystars · 15/11/2023 19:12

Imagine the retirement:

Him: Thanks to me, now we have so much money for our 70s

You: yes but I hate your guts now

This.

AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 11:47

Thank you all for your responses; I really appreciate it. I am going to have to have a serious talk with him about his unhappy his behaviour is making me!
TBH, I feel a complete fool for not realising that this arrangement wasn't 'normal' sooner! To clarify a couple of people's questions, the earning gap wasn't as big when we first got married. As happens to many women after they have children, my earnings reduced. First, this was due to going part-time and then leaving my career after having our second child (busy clinical role in the NHS, with on-calls and weekends and unpredictable finish times which made nursery pick ups difficult as no family nearby to help at the drop of a hat and husband started and finished his working day later to cover the drop offs). After changing career to something more flexible, I have had to work my way up and now I am finally on a higher pay grade that I ever was, but this has been a long slog. Meanwhile, husband's career has continued uninterrupted and his earnings continued to rise.
That said, there were a couple of red flags earlier in our relationship (the restaurant incident, plus a time when he bought something on my behalf from a friend of his and added his train fare to collect it onto the cost without disclosing this, which I was furious about!) Before we got married, our vicar raised the question about finances when a baby comes along and one partner supporting the other to be at home more, and he didn't appear to take it very seriously. I always thought, as long as I was earning my own money, it would be ok. Hindsight with a more mature head is a wonderful thing!
The biggest issue for me now (other than the worry that he won't change and I could end up in a vulnerable position later in life) is that if I think the children should have something I know we can afford, he can be difficult to the point that if he doesn't feel it is 'worthy' of paying for that I end up paying out of my own pocket. Horse riding is their absolute passion in life and the number one thing that brings them the most joy (I get that this is far from a cheap hobby, having owned my own horses in my younger days)! I was paying for all their lessons, gear etc and he is now paying for half the weekly lesson costs but have said that if they want to loan a pony, the upkeep has to come solely from my earnings because it is 'my hobby, not his'! Even though I pointed out it is the children's pony and they are the ones riding!! (I have my own part-loan horse, and any contributions for her upkeep come 100% from my earnings as riding her is MY hobby!)

OP posts:
AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 11:54

Another thing that has irked me recently is that he had a stack of cash in the house (a couple of hundred I think from things he sold on eBay) and said he'd use this to pay the cleaner rather than taking it to the bank. I then noticed he was drawing the same amount out of our joint account and paying it to himself to ensure I was covering 'my' half. I questioned whether that was a bit petty of him, given that I had solely paid for the cleaner for the last 10 years, and he just said "the arrangement isn't retrospective"!!

OP posts:
billy1966 · 16/11/2023 12:06

OP,

Your whole marriage and relationship is a complete lie.

You are married to a financially abusive man who knows EXACTLY what he has been doing.

He has happily behaved like this because he is mean, abusive and controlling.

I strongly suggest you get every bit of paperwork together that you can find.

His national insurance number etc.

Get every bit of information you can get about bank accounts, investments and pensions.

Assemble them somewhere safe.

Contrary to what you have written he is a shit father and a shit husband.

Good decent men don't financially abuse their wives and pay nothing towards their children.

Abusive arseholes do.

When you have all the paperwork together, give some serious thought to whether you really want to be married to and go forward to retirement, possibly be a carer to a man who has financially abused you and your children for years.

In your place I would give it to him with both barrels.

Insist on marriage counselling and some solo counselling for yourself.

That he hands over 50% of ALL savings to your account now.

If he refuses you have your answer....that is, he has deliberately abused you and your children to his own advantage throughout your marriage.

Just because he wasn't physically assaulting you, doesn't mean you haven't been abused.

Do not fall for his faux embarrassment at you challenging him about the costs of the children, he has known well what he was doing.

He is a disgrace.

Rozenwater567 · 16/11/2023 12:08

Heavens I am utterly outraged on your behalf that you are paying for the cleaner solely out of your wages op and that the dc extra curricular expenses are almost all paid by you too.

I can see how this situation creeps up on you though as my dh earns more than three times my wage so has become somehow “in charge” of finances.

billy1966 · 16/11/2023 12:10

AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 11:54

Another thing that has irked me recently is that he had a stack of cash in the house (a couple of hundred I think from things he sold on eBay) and said he'd use this to pay the cleaner rather than taking it to the bank. I then noticed he was drawing the same amount out of our joint account and paying it to himself to ensure I was covering 'my' half. I questioned whether that was a bit petty of him, given that I had solely paid for the cleaner for the last 10 years, and he just said "the arrangement isn't retrospective"!!

Kindly meant but just more deliberate abuse.

This is who he is.

Get legal advice.

A good solicitor and a forensic accountant will find all his money, together with his pension will ensure you have a comfortable future without this mean, ugly, abusive man.

How on earth do you have sex with such a man?🤢

Total libido killer.

If he is mean now, don't kid yourself that retirement will be any better.

This is who he is.

Your poor children with that as a father.
They will be better off with you and half the family assets.

Good legal advice is key.

Rozenwater567 · 16/11/2023 12:11

AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 11:54

Another thing that has irked me recently is that he had a stack of cash in the house (a couple of hundred I think from things he sold on eBay) and said he'd use this to pay the cleaner rather than taking it to the bank. I then noticed he was drawing the same amount out of our joint account and paying it to himself to ensure I was covering 'my' half. I questioned whether that was a bit petty of him, given that I had solely paid for the cleaner for the last 10 years, and he just said "the arrangement isn't retrospective"!!

😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

I think my next words would have been:

“Mmmm in that case I will be re-thinking my future”

billy1966 · 16/11/2023 12:13

Rozenwater567 · 16/11/2023 12:11

😮😮😮😮😮😮😮

I think my next words would have been:

“Mmmm in that case I will be re-thinking my future”

A divorce settlement will however be retrospective. 😙

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