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Stingy husband

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AgentDanaScully · 15/11/2023 13:31

First time posting, so please be gentle (but honest!) My husband has always been overly cautious with money. He had quite a modest upbringing (definitely no growing up with a silver spoon in his mouth or handouts from the bank of mum and dad) and everything he has, he has earned, which I respect greatly. I work almost full time and have a good salary but he still earns about 3 times more than me. We both work hard and paid off our mortgage several years ago (we've been together 18 years and bought our first house 16 years ago).
We should be able to enjoy life more, but he is obsessed by saving! He wants to retire early, as do I, but there needs to be a balance. Other than a joint account for household bills/food etc, which we both pay into proportionate to income, we have always kept separate finances (his decision). For the last 12 years, I have paid for most of our two children's clothes, uniforms, and most of their activities (until I asked him to pay for some of their clubs a few years back as I was on a lower salary back then and constantly ending the month with nothing in my account, while he had loads of disposable income available). Last month, I showed him my personal account statement to evidence how many things I buy for the children and how little I spend on myself. He was a bit sheepish and offered to pay for the cleaner (another expense I have solely paid for the last 10 years) and the cat's food! He has now finally agreed that things for the children can come out of the joint account and we both top it up 50:50 at the end of the month. I questioned as to why it took this long for him to realise that the previous system was unfair, and he didn't really have an answer.
After I had my second child (now 10), I would've loved to have had a career break to be at home with her for a year or two, knowing we had the means to do it, but there was no commitment to sharing finances from my husband...he said it would be easier to have one parent stay at home, but when I asked him how this would work in practicality, say if I needed my hair cut or new clothes, and he laughed and said "oh, I'll give you a handout". I would've been reduced to asking him for money so I ended up leaving the career I had at the time as it wasn't compatible with family life and trying to set up a business whilst juggling two young children.
I am not by any stretch of the imagination a frivolous spender...I go to the hairdresser's two/three times a year and only buy new clothes (high street) when something literally wears out! The thought of having to ask him for the basics was too humiliating...this still grates on me all these years later.
I would love for us to move house which we can easily afford, but my husband is not interested. I am always careful what I order in restaurants as I still remember an incident years ago, when he criticised me for choosing the most expensive dish on the menu (I chose it because it was what I wanted to eat!) He wants to squirrel as much money away as possible, even though I have pointed out that life is short (my Mum died at 68) and sometimes, you have to live a bit in the here and now. I feel like he has the ultimate control on the purse strings because he is the one who contributes the most money (he pretty much said this at one point) and if he doesn't think something for the family is worthy of spending on, it doesn't happen. He is squirreling away crazy amounts into his pension, which he says will support us both to retire early before my pension kicks in. I worry about what will happen 20 years down the line as to how much he will dictate what we spend it on.
I get that I am in a very fortunate situation with everything going on in the world and I apologise if my post offends anyone. However, I am starting to wonder whether my husband is using finances as a means of control. He is a wonderful person in most other ways and an amazing Dad, but this is coming between us.
Is he right to want more control over the finances as he continues the most, or am I the one being unreasonable?

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LateAF · 16/11/2023 12:19

AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 11:54

Another thing that has irked me recently is that he had a stack of cash in the house (a couple of hundred I think from things he sold on eBay) and said he'd use this to pay the cleaner rather than taking it to the bank. I then noticed he was drawing the same amount out of our joint account and paying it to himself to ensure I was covering 'my' half. I questioned whether that was a bit petty of him, given that I had solely paid for the cleaner for the last 10 years, and he just said "the arrangement isn't retrospective"!!

That would be a deal breaker for me. His response shows he does not give a shit about you.

How dare he treat you like that- makes me so upset on your behalf.

Onelifeonly22 · 16/11/2023 12:20

This is awful to read OP. He is financially abusive as others have said. It should not be 50:50 for children's things - it should be relative to income. He also needs to give you a lump sum into your savings/pension to make up for the fact that it hasn't the case in the years past and to make you good for any periods of unpaid/lower paid maternity leave. I agree with the others that you need full transparency but also to consider whether you really want to be with someone like this - who doesn't view you as an equal, is ungenerous to the point of unkindness and who doesn't want to spend money available on something that brings your kids joy and teaches them good life skills. I'm so sorry this has been your experience. I actually think he may need counselling but would guess he wouldn't be open to this - especially if he'd have to pay..

pointythings · 16/11/2023 12:20

He is and always will be a mean spirited miser and a financial abuser. Honestly, unless he accepts massive change, I wouldn't stay. The DC's activities should be paid for in proportion to your relative earnings, not 50/50. They are his children too. The same must apply to household costs. If he won't go for that, run.

ManateeFair · 16/11/2023 12:22

Why the actual fucking hell would the children's clothes, activities etc have ever NOT come out of the joint account?! They're his children, yes? Did you ever ask him? Was this not discussed when they were born? He refused, for 12 years, to contribute to his own children's school uniform costs?

I'm honestly gobsmacked that this went on for 12 years.

Also, even a 50-50 arrangement is not fair when one person earns three times what the other person does. My DP earns more than I do and we split joint expenses along those lines - for us it's about 65-35 at the moment.

Your husband is an arsehole. This is either financial abuse or something close to it.

ManateeFair · 16/11/2023 12:23

Onelifeonly22 · 16/11/2023 12:20

This is awful to read OP. He is financially abusive as others have said. It should not be 50:50 for children's things - it should be relative to income. He also needs to give you a lump sum into your savings/pension to make up for the fact that it hasn't the case in the years past and to make you good for any periods of unpaid/lower paid maternity leave. I agree with the others that you need full transparency but also to consider whether you really want to be with someone like this - who doesn't view you as an equal, is ungenerous to the point of unkindness and who doesn't want to spend money available on something that brings your kids joy and teaches them good life skills. I'm so sorry this has been your experience. I actually think he may need counselling but would guess he wouldn't be open to this - especially if he'd have to pay..

All. Of. This.

ladeluge · 16/11/2023 12:26

Ugh, being miserly, tight and mean like this is absolutely one of the worst traits in a person. Add in control and you've got the full package.

I'd have been gone years ago. Easy for me to say, but I definitely couldn't carry on like this.

Divorce him, then he will have to sacrifice some of his precious savings. I don't mean to sound glib, but you will be better off and have far more confidence, self esteem and freedom from this tight arsed excuse for a person.

brokenhearted2 · 16/11/2023 12:28

He need to start by paying you back his share of all the joint expenses you covered. Because it's only in HIS savings account because you paid. So it's literally your money in his account. If he won't do this then he's not fully committed to equality at all. He, the higher earner, is scrounging off you. The lower earner who sacrificed her career prospects and pension for him to have a family without losing financially. If he can't see this then it's because he doesn't want to see it .

Rozenwater567 · 16/11/2023 12:30

billy1966 · 16/11/2023 12:13

A divorce settlement will however be retrospective. 😙

Yea that’s a much a better response!
😁👍

brokenhearted2 · 16/11/2023 12:32

OP he is awful. Just AWFUL. He thinks you should pay for the dc hobby as it is something you like and not him??? The deal retrospective? I'm sorry but no way could I be married to this person. I would seriously be icked out by him. Suggest he rethinks his position on retrospective as a) the money you have saved him is currently not retrospectively sitting in his bank account and b) a divorce is going to cost him a fuck of a lot more than repaying the past 10 years and contributing fairly now.

TheChosenTwo · 16/11/2023 12:38

Wow. I’m shocked that this has dragged on for as long as this.
I don’t often say this as it’s rarely helpful and there is always a grey area we don’t know about between the black and white, but I genuinely couldn’t live like this. Not for one minute. I would be divorcing him asap.
DH and I have totally separate finances. Always have and always will, I make no secret about protecting myself - no one can predict the future.
However we have always shared expenses. Household stuff and kids stuff. He pays more as he outearns me considerably. But it’s an arrangement we are both happy with and allows us both to put the same amount into our own savings. We both pay a ratio of our incomes into the bills account, into our joint household account, joint savings accounts, and we both know how much we each earn.
I’m shocked that he was happy for you to pay for everything without putting his hand in his pocket. What a tight arse. Along with poor hygiene and liars this is my top most hated trait in anyone. Horrible.

hookiewookie29 · 16/11/2023 12:40

What a controlling, stingy man!
Think ahead to when he's retired.....
You think he's bad at the moment, he'll be 100 times worse by then!

Quitelikeit · 16/11/2023 12:45

You have been very tolerant. This arrangement is very unfair and you will (quite rightly) be seething with resentment until you find a better way forward.

What I hate hate hate about these posts is their greed towards their kids - some financially tight men are actually generous to their children but not their wife.

This man must have thousands squirrelled away. And to think he wouldn’t even entertain the idea of moving home - I mean are you guys even living?! Do you have holidays? Eat out?

What is the point? Do you know how much he has in savings?

clarebear111 · 16/11/2023 13:27

I'm so sorry to read this OP. Your relationship does not sound like a partnership of equals to me, which it should be. You're married, you have DCs, you've been together a long time. As I understand things, most people pool resources in these circumstances.

The saying 'he who pays the piper calls the tune' springs to mind. Your H seems to be of the mindset that, as he earns the most, he is entitled to make the rules. That doesn't feel right to me, certainly in the context of your long marriage and the fact you have children. Where is the mutual respect?

I'd raise this with him, insisting something drastic needs to change, and steel yourself for a poor reaction from him. Men like this tend to like to be in control and he won't take kindly to what he will consider to be a challenge to his perceived authority. Good luck and stand your ground.

Bahhambug · 16/11/2023 13:35

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AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 14:43

Good question, and you're absolutely right. I think it one of those things that has spiralled. When we had our first DC, I signed up to baby groups, took her shopping for new clothes etc and paid for it all out of my own money without thinking anything of it (I work for the NHS so had generous maternity pay). And then this just continued...until I raised the issue

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OhComeOnFFS · 16/11/2023 14:48

Vriddle · 15/11/2023 16:55

Divorce him and split the marital assets - which include 'his' savings. And the house. See a solicitor. A good one. And break free from this controlling, financially abusive twat.

Yes, exactly. Notice he's not topping up your pension, just his own. He has his savings, while you are going broke paying for things he should be paying for.

Unless you want to spend the rest of your precious life with a skinflint, then I think you'd do better divorcing now, getting half his pension and savings and the house, claiming child support and having a lovely life without him.

AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 14:51

Something I didn't mention is that he pays for the regular supermarket food shop as he buys discounted vouchers as part of his available perks at work. He also argues that he has paid for things like car MOT over the years. However, a quick look at our joint account- before I raised the issue with him recently, he was paying in 1.8x more than me for bills (so not really proportionate to the difference in income, especially as I was covering almost all of the children's clothes and extracurricular activities at this point). A look back to 5 years ago before my promotions at work- he was paying in 2.6x more than me but earning 4x more.

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AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 15:00

Someone asked about holidays etc. We have a long-haul holiday every couple of years and a European 'driving' caravanning holiday usually every year as travel is something that's quite important to us both. We have an occasional takeaway and the odd pub meal but nothing fancy. Our car is 9 years old. One DC attends private school, which took a hell of a lot of convincing to get the husband on board that it was the right thing to spend money on (she is autistic but one of the many children in this country who fall between the cracks because she's not 'autistic enough' to get an EHCP/specialist school but would survive at best and not thrive in the local mainstream secondary- but I digress, that's a whole other story!)

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MatildaTheCat · 16/11/2023 15:07

@AgentDanaScully the fact that you are so easily able to identify items that he has paid for over the years is very telling. In most marriages the costs are simply paid for between the family with the higher earner naturally contributing more.

I have a friend who has been married around 35 years and has lived in the same house for all of that time. It’s quite a big house with one bathroom that at best estimate was installed in the early 60s. She ha wanted a decent modern bathroom for all of her marriage and he refuses to pay because’he could do it himself if he had time’. He’s not a bad person but bloody hell he dislikes spending money. I think it’s a miserable way to live.

Lastly he won’t suddenly want to spend when he finally reaches retirement. There will be something else that needs to be budgeted for.

Quitelikeit · 16/11/2023 16:48

Oh well he has gone up in my estimation if he pays for school fees, you do at least get a yearly holiday and a long haul trip every so often.

I guess this depends on his income - I mean I’m assuming it is a six figure income but with school fees taken into account and food shopping etc then I don’t know how he can be called THAT tight but maybe a little tight.

In a way none of it matters because you are still feeling there’s an unbalance there.

One thing I do know is that it will be very very difficult to change his approach to spending. I guess his father or mother was also like this?

You may well get him to increase his financial input though

It’s tricky because some couples to have separate finances and manage fine but many share their monthly pay regardless of who earns what and that seems to work well too

AgentDanaScully · 16/11/2023 17:12

His parents have never really had lots of money, they don't go out or have any hobbies so I don't think they're tight, more that there's nothing they really want to spend money on. Which I feel is quite sad. I wonder whether it's because he never had lots of money growing up, that he's scared of losing it. Or something like that.
We both pay for the school fees out of the joint account. Private school is only a recent thing (last year). With holidays, I have paid for a couple myself (not long haul) although where I have done this, I must admit that I've then let him cover most of the spending on holiday.
Six figure salary and well over half is squirreled away into his pension pot each month.

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Quitelikeit · 16/11/2023 17:45

Well op I hope you manage to get through to him you can only try

Cumberbiatch · 16/11/2023 17:54

This is far, far beyond stinginess, OP.

Pumpkinpie1 · 16/11/2023 18:04

Wow
I couldn’t live that.
life is for living not for scrimping for a “retirement “ which may not even happen.
Good health and ability enjoy life shouldn’t be taken for granted. Life is fragile
Talk to him OP but be prepared to walk away if he is not prepared to stop financially abusing you