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If you’d be in the Ukraine at the start of the war, but with kid/s, would you both resist and if not how would you decide who would care for the kids????

69 replies

Wills · 11/11/2023 21:08

I’m studying psychology and believe myself to be a full on feminist. But with that in mind how would your family divide up the horror of going to war against the horror of staying at home? I’m really interested in this and am very aware that nuclear options abound, but….

Nowadays, given women’s supposed equality, which (lets me be frank) isn’t true what do couples in really equal relationships do? This is possibly better answered by same sex families but I’m more interested in male/female couples because of the massive history of putting women down. Most same sex couples have experienced so much prejudice that their decision on who would go to war would, probably, be based on the qualities I’m interested in. For relevance I suspect my own husband, father to four children, would insist on going to war through sheer fear of me dying and leaving him to care for the kids. But that’s not a good rationale.

I’m interested in couples, who have kids, regardless of gender - how would you split the responsibility of going to war?

I’m negatively attuned to think that most men (not all) still carry the myth that it’s a man’s responsibility to go to war and defend the family unit. For LGBTQ+ couples this might be translated as the more masculine of two individuals - but I’m really interested. Take the Ukraine. If you put yourselves in their shoes, would both of you go and leave your parents to care for you kids? Or would one of you stay at home. How would you make that decision? Was it based on the ideal that women are more caring or was it based on which one of you would better fit army life.

Want to look at a PhD studying this so am fascinated. Whilst this may leave many to claim I have an ulterior motive. I don’t. I have loads of ways to study this issue, but watching the Israeli/Palestinian war at the moment I’m just saddened at the number of people/children dying. The words of Sting’s song with the line “The Russians love their children too” has been echoing in my brain for many years. So why?

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Nothingbuttheglory · 11/11/2023 22:35

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Wibblywobblylikejelly · 11/11/2023 22:36

In the same sense as @MumEeeee

Neither. I would be doing my damdest to get me, the children and DH the hell out.

Never forget,
Never again...
It's all the same until the next lot.

I wouldn't want either of us dying as nameless people forgotten to history.

VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/11/2023 22:38

Wine has been taken and I completely forget these things.

No more interaction.

Thanks.

Holopola · 11/11/2023 22:42

Dunno why you're even referencing same sex couples in your op. Same sex couples can't marry or have a civil partnership in Ukraine.

OrtolanLBunting · 11/11/2023 22:45

I have no skills that would be of use in a war zone

To be honest, neither does my DH.

MumEeeee · 11/11/2023 22:47

Holopola · 11/11/2023 22:42

Dunno why you're even referencing same sex couples in your op. Same sex couples can't marry or have a civil partnership in Ukraine.

They still exist, even if unmarried.
Ukraine has stated that legislation is being created to introduce same sex partnerships. The majority of people are in favour, there have been petitions to parliament and the government has agreed their support.
Going off topic a bit, but I’m just glad there’s progress- even if it’s not been as fast as elsewhere.
Not commenting in terms of the thread, just happy to see it’s progressing to a modern state

Holopola · 11/11/2023 22:49

Well done. I'm sure all your Ukrainian relatives will enjoy only speaking Russian.

Most Ukrainians speak Russian.

Like fuck would I risk life and limb in a conflict that my fool oligarch president got our country into based on empty NATO promises.

VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/11/2023 22:54

Presumably you mean Putin. What empty NATO promises do you mean?

Fionaville · 11/11/2023 22:55

There is nothing on earth that would separate me from my children, apart from death or being in hospital myself. So no way would I be staying to fight. If it absolutely had to be one of us it would be DH, because quite frankly, he's hard as nails and can shoot well.

Holopola · 11/11/2023 23:00

No, I mean Zelenskiy. He's a stooge. Any man who can avoid conscription to his cause, should do so.

Russian conscripts same. Obviously more difficult for them to get out of but it absolutely makes sense for them to do so, if they can.

Holopola · 11/11/2023 23:02

happy to see it’s progressing to a modern state

LOL! 😂

MumEeeee · 11/11/2023 23:07

Holopola · 11/11/2023 23:02

happy to see it’s progressing to a modern state

LOL! 😂

Yeah. Hilarious. LGBT rights. Ha ha. 🙄
No difference to anyone at all.
I forgot this topic attracts this every.single.time.
Just say the most daft thing you can think of and say it hoping to get a rise. That and those who can’t read English if it’s a different opinion.
Maybe even the military ready sofa dwellers too, ready to bring glory to the nation.

Greenshake · 11/11/2023 23:12

Oh Holopola, you really don’t get it, do you?

VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/11/2023 23:14

Holopola · 11/11/2023 23:00

No, I mean Zelenskiy. He's a stooge. Any man who can avoid conscription to his cause, should do so.

Russian conscripts same. Obviously more difficult for them to get out of but it absolutely makes sense for them to do so, if they can.

In what sense is Zelensky an Oligarch?

I understood he was a comedian rather than s business man.

Holopola · 11/11/2023 23:20

In the sense that he's funded his media and then political career and personal fortune with bent monies assimilated through collapsed/raided state industries and banks, same as all oligarchs. Granted, it's been at one remove, via a third party backer who he's now turned on and denounced as corrupt since the eyes of the world are upon him. Nevertheless that is the money that made him. And that bought him his prime real estate in London and elsewhere.

Holopola · 11/11/2023 23:22

Greenshake · 11/11/2023 23:12

Oh Holopola, you really don’t get it, do you?

No mate. I really fucking do.

VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/11/2023 23:24

Holopola · 11/11/2023 23:20

In the sense that he's funded his media and then political career and personal fortune with bent monies assimilated through collapsed/raided state industries and banks, same as all oligarchs. Granted, it's been at one remove, via a third party backer who he's now turned on and denounced as corrupt since the eyes of the world are upon him. Nevertheless that is the money that made him. And that bought him his prime real estate in London and elsewhere.

And your proof of this is?

Holopola · 11/11/2023 23:25

Well it's widely noted and reported but I'll dig out a few bits if you give me a minute.

Greenshake · 11/11/2023 23:29

@Holopola, not many people seem to agree with you though…

Greenshake · 11/11/2023 23:35

And that excuses the Russian invasion how?

Holopola · 11/11/2023 23:38

It doesn't excuse anything although I would point out that at the time NATO decided Russia was invading the region had actually been at war for years. I'm just saying that zelenskiy is bent, has his own reasons for going along with the narrative, and I wouldn't fight on his behalf.