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DH wants to sell house significantly below market value

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MrsLyndi · 09/11/2023 02:34

My DH and I are 59 and 61 respectively. We have one child, she is 29.
My DHs parents passed away 10 or so years ago. About 10 years before this they gifted us their 5 bedroom house in a lovely part of London. They wanted to move back to where they had grown up having inherited his mother’s aunts home, but weren’t ready to see the house go as they raised DH and his late sister there.
DH has been renting the house out ever since, it’s been a nice earner for us as it is mortgage free. We live in rurally a few hours from London and had no intention of moving back so it made the most sense.

About 8/9 years ago we took a risk and allowed some fresh uni grads to move in. They made an impression at the time and we haven’t regretted it. They were lovely tenants. They slowly started moving out and now it’s one of the originals and his fiancé.
They are 27/30, incredibly good tenants (the house is gorgeous, we’ve allowed them to decorate as they wish. They are never late with rent, and just lovely people.
DH goes down to London once a month, he likes to sort the garden out himself and enjoys seeing the couple. He has gotten to know them. They are both from the north, one of them had a rough childhood, was in the care system etc. They are now both very successful, make good money etc.
DH was down at the weekend to do a last clear of the garden before winter. As per he got chatting to the couple, they gave an invite for their wedding next year. They also mentioned that they are starting to look at buying somewhere, joked they wish they could afford the house but it would be way out of budget etc. (We’ve been charging below market rate rent for a while now as we don’t need the income, and they are hassle free tenants who let DH potter in the garden).
They told DH they wouldn’t be looking at more than 1mil or so.
The house is probably worth about 1.5mil now potentially a little more(5 bedrooms, good sized garden, drive way, well decorated, in the catchment area for a fantastic primary, near one of Londons big parks and good transport links!).
DH has been thinking of selling the house for a few years and decided when they eventually moved out that he would sell it. He wants to give our daughter a gift that will pay off her mortgage (less than £500,000). Then use the rest of the money to enjoy our retirement. We have good pensions so that is not a concern.
Now DH has a crazy idea … he wants to sell them the house for what they can afford, around the £950,000-1mil mark, so significantly less than what it is worth!!!

His reasonings are

  • The girl reminds him of his mother, he’s always said this. Very cheery, fun person
  • One of them has overcome all sorts to get to where they are
  • He knows they will look after the house, they are planning to have a family etc.
  • “It feels like the right thing to do”

In DHs mind, we don’t need the money, even selling for significantly less, we can take care of our daughter and have a nice retirement.

I’m more on the fence. While they seem like lovely people, what if in 5 years they sell and run off with the £500,000+ profit. How does this work with a mortgage and such? We don’t know them all that well but would be essentially giving them half a million pounds!!!!
DH is a very kind and loving man but often too kind!
AIBU to think this is a crazy idea and wonder how it’s even possible?!

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NCNov123 · 09/11/2023 08:42

MrsLyndi · 09/11/2023 08:25

No it’s a Victorian end of terrace, the living space isn’t great and it’s already been extended.
I just looked on right move and a house in a slightly nicer part of the same area but similar layout (In catchment for a “better” school, further from the busy main road etc.) but lacking the garden space, drive way and top floor room sizes of the one we own is sold STC for 1.1 mil. Maybe I’m actually overestimating the worth.
This is East Greenwich, walking distance to the park, half hour walk or a quick bus to North Greenwich for the tube and the mainline into London Bridge and beyond, so unless big changes in the last few years, it’s a nice area!

I think you and DH need to get the house valued and ask estate agents for a realistic actual sale price now (Right move only gives that months out of date). If it's closer to 1.1 million, selling to the couple for something between 1 mil and the potential top price might be reasonable given that you won't pay agents fees or have the stress of the sale.

But your DH needs to discuss all the tax etc implications of selling at below market value. I think you or someone he trusts also needs to have a frank conversation about the fact that the house won't in any way be "his" anymore. He can't just pop over. And yes, how would he feel if they sold up for a lot more in a few years if the market picks up?

If she is in magic circle law and he's in banking, they are possibly on £500k plus between them. They can quite possibly afford the house at market value.

Your DH sounds a lovely man. I still think kindly on our first London landlords who didn't put up rent for a few years and always did repairs on mine and my DHs first flat together.

Iheartpizza · 09/11/2023 08:42

I love that there is some sympathy on this thread towards the 'poor old' tenants!

They earn 6 figures each and are in the market for a million pound house. They're not doing too badly are they?! Hardly on the breadline.

minipie · 09/11/2023 08:45

Absolutely do not sell without getting a couple of estate agent valuations first!

itsanopefromme · 09/11/2023 08:46

No, it's far too much to give away. Your husband sounds like a lovely bloke though :)

DeadBugMountainClimber · 09/11/2023 08:46

As others have said, point out to him that he has a tax liability for the full market value of the house, whatever he sells it for. That will likely be a sobering thought when he realises that he will be short changing his own child.

Your husband sounds very nice but misguided.

SecondUsername4me · 09/11/2023 08:47

So worth 1.5m
Sold for 1m
Deduct 5k fees
Deduct 150k CGT
Deduct the 500k for your dd

Leaves 345k for your retirement.

Or you could sell at full market value and come away with 845k!

Resilience · 09/11/2023 08:47

DH sounds like a lovely man, but this is an unwise financial decision.

Rosecutting · 09/11/2023 08:48

Once the house is theirs they probably won’t want your DH turning up to potter in the garden.
They likely will sell up to move somewhere of their choice with a lower mortgage ( never to be seen again) and your DH will feel a fool.

KristaK · 09/11/2023 08:48

I would get it valued and then have a conversation when you have all the information.

boobot1 · 09/11/2023 08:48

MrsLyndi · 09/11/2023 08:25

No it’s a Victorian end of terrace, the living space isn’t great and it’s already been extended.
I just looked on right move and a house in a slightly nicer part of the same area but similar layout (In catchment for a “better” school, further from the busy main road etc.) but lacking the garden space, drive way and top floor room sizes of the one we own is sold STC for 1.1 mil. Maybe I’m actually overestimating the worth.
This is East Greenwich, walking distance to the park, half hour walk or a quick bus to North Greenwich for the tube and the mainline into London Bridge and beyond, so unless big changes in the last few years, it’s a nice area!

Get the house valued so you have a better idea.You have a daughter! What the hell is he thinking! I would put my foot down very forcefully here.

boobot1 · 09/11/2023 08:49

Rosecutting · 09/11/2023 08:48

Once the house is theirs they probably won’t want your DH turning up to potter in the garden.
They likely will sell up to move somewhere of their choice with a lower mortgage ( never to be seen again) and your DH will feel a fool.

This!

ladeluge · 09/11/2023 08:50

Gift it to your daughter.

Swindledfamily · 09/11/2023 08:51

I've got an excellent sob story if your DH is getting his chequebook out 😒

C8H10N4O2 · 09/11/2023 08:51

SecondUsername4me · 09/11/2023 08:47

So worth 1.5m
Sold for 1m
Deduct 5k fees
Deduct 150k CGT
Deduct the 500k for your dd

Leaves 345k for your retirement.

Or you could sell at full market value and come away with 845k!

Minus capital gains tax which could be sizeable chunk of the total.

I as also wondering where in London I could buy a lovely five bedroom house for 1.5m but extended EoT for 1.1m might be doable.

The only way to get a realistic value is to get agents to value it and then prove the value on the open market.

Swindledfamily · 09/11/2023 08:52

ladeluge · 09/11/2023 08:50

Gift it to your daughter.

This. If you don't know how to manage money, and this thread shows that you are entertaining this idiocy rather than dismissing it outright, then pass it on to someone who might do better.

Ittastesvile · 09/11/2023 08:53

I would get it valued. If it's valued at £1 mill or £2 Mil the debate could be pointless.

I would only sell it to these people if I had some kind of charge on the house or something set up that I would get the 500k back if they sold.

Strictlymad · 09/11/2023 08:54

Dropping 20k off the price etc (maybe even 50) but 500!!! Maddness! Tell them you will market the house and they are welcome to make an offer , see what the agent suggests, see if they make an offer and if so how low. Then go from there. Till there’s definite money on the table it’s airy fairy. Maybe they can afford more then they think when they get a mortgage offer

MrsLyndi · 09/11/2023 08:56

Swindledfamily · 09/11/2023 08:52

This. If you don't know how to manage money, and this thread shows that you are entertaining this idiocy rather than dismissing it outright, then pass it on to someone who might do better.

Our daughter isn’t interested in the house at all. She has no emotional connection to it, would sell as soon as it was gifted to her.

No matter what we will be selling.

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Tessasanderson · 09/11/2023 09:00

How about shared ownership? You sell 66% of the house to them for £1m and retain 33% for yourselves. If they ever sell you get 33% and they get to invest in a £1.5m house for a lot less than they can afford. Maybe you could have it written into the contract that they can buy the remaining 33% at any time for the £500k balance.

They seem lovely and exactly the kind of people i would want to help buy the house if i could

TotalOverhaul · 09/11/2023 09:00

Conkersinautumn · 09/11/2023 08:09

He probably envisages still being attached to the house and this couple that he feels protective of . Selling will be a wrench that maybe he's trying to reduce for himself. They're I'm sure hugely grateful for the break they've had in living there at a reduced rate, he's done a lot for them already. He needs to properly let go of the house if it is sold, it seems like he's avoiding that.

Of all the people in London in desperate need of reduced rent, it goes to a financier and a Magic Circle lawyer! I despair.

ladeluge · 09/11/2023 09:01

Well you should step out of the picture, gift it to your daughter and let her sell it in her own name and split the proceeds amongst you. That way, as she has no emotional or other attachment to the house, best price will be achieved, and tenants can be offered first refusal.

VWdieselnightmare · 09/11/2023 09:03

Another no from me. You've given the two tenants a great start in their lives: good landlords, stability and a reasonable rent. So many young people are thrown out of their homes every year by landlords selling up or raising rents to impossible levels.

If you let them buy it for 30% less than it's actually worth, if they had their heads screwed on they'd flip it and pay £500,000 off the mortgage of their second house, and then who knows what would happen to the place. Sell it for the full price and if your husband is so bothered by the inequality this situation has revealed, let him give a chunk of money to charity or a foundation that helps young people from difficult backgrounds.

Igletpiglet · 09/11/2023 09:03

Is this in character? - it sounds like he is usually very kind. With £500,000 spare quid, he could support a charity.

user1492757084 · 09/11/2023 09:05

There might be some middle ground.
You don't owe these people a 500,000 discount.
The family money really should go to your daughter and her family.

Is there a legal way where you could sell them 65% of the home for what it is worth. Then work out a plan for the other 35%?

The tenants might inherit money at some point and be able to purchase the remainder. Your daughter and family might all die young and then you could leave the 35% in your Will to the tenants but most likely is that they will need to buy out your daughter after your death.

Seek alternative opinions.

AbacusAvocado · 09/11/2023 09:06

@MrsLyndi - I know the exact area you mean, in fact I suspect I could identify the location to within a few streets.

It’s a nice place and gentrifying. But frankly a magic circle lawyer and banker aren’t going to stick around there for long:

I know this because those were our job titles when we lived there!

The reality of those careers is that their earnings will rocket in a few years, all their peers will have kids in private schools or state schools in posher areas. They’ll feel out of place at the school gates in that part of east greenwich, plus as they get higher up they’ll have more flexibility over their hours etc. so will move further out for the suburbs.

I’m sure your DH has a strong emotional attachment to the idea that they’ll stay there, raise a family etc, but they honestly won’t. I would bet good money on them moving out within 5 years of them having their first kid.

So I’d be supportive of where he’s coming from, but this is not a good plan.

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