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DH wants to sell house significantly below market value

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MrsLyndi · 09/11/2023 02:34

My DH and I are 59 and 61 respectively. We have one child, she is 29.
My DHs parents passed away 10 or so years ago. About 10 years before this they gifted us their 5 bedroom house in a lovely part of London. They wanted to move back to where they had grown up having inherited his mother’s aunts home, but weren’t ready to see the house go as they raised DH and his late sister there.
DH has been renting the house out ever since, it’s been a nice earner for us as it is mortgage free. We live in rurally a few hours from London and had no intention of moving back so it made the most sense.

About 8/9 years ago we took a risk and allowed some fresh uni grads to move in. They made an impression at the time and we haven’t regretted it. They were lovely tenants. They slowly started moving out and now it’s one of the originals and his fiancé.
They are 27/30, incredibly good tenants (the house is gorgeous, we’ve allowed them to decorate as they wish. They are never late with rent, and just lovely people.
DH goes down to London once a month, he likes to sort the garden out himself and enjoys seeing the couple. He has gotten to know them. They are both from the north, one of them had a rough childhood, was in the care system etc. They are now both very successful, make good money etc.
DH was down at the weekend to do a last clear of the garden before winter. As per he got chatting to the couple, they gave an invite for their wedding next year. They also mentioned that they are starting to look at buying somewhere, joked they wish they could afford the house but it would be way out of budget etc. (We’ve been charging below market rate rent for a while now as we don’t need the income, and they are hassle free tenants who let DH potter in the garden).
They told DH they wouldn’t be looking at more than 1mil or so.
The house is probably worth about 1.5mil now potentially a little more(5 bedrooms, good sized garden, drive way, well decorated, in the catchment area for a fantastic primary, near one of Londons big parks and good transport links!).
DH has been thinking of selling the house for a few years and decided when they eventually moved out that he would sell it. He wants to give our daughter a gift that will pay off her mortgage (less than £500,000). Then use the rest of the money to enjoy our retirement. We have good pensions so that is not a concern.
Now DH has a crazy idea … he wants to sell them the house for what they can afford, around the £950,000-1mil mark, so significantly less than what it is worth!!!

His reasonings are

  • The girl reminds him of his mother, he’s always said this. Very cheery, fun person
  • One of them has overcome all sorts to get to where they are
  • He knows they will look after the house, they are planning to have a family etc.
  • “It feels like the right thing to do”

In DHs mind, we don’t need the money, even selling for significantly less, we can take care of our daughter and have a nice retirement.

I’m more on the fence. While they seem like lovely people, what if in 5 years they sell and run off with the £500,000+ profit. How does this work with a mortgage and such? We don’t know them all that well but would be essentially giving them half a million pounds!!!!
DH is a very kind and loving man but often too kind!
AIBU to think this is a crazy idea and wonder how it’s even possible?!

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zozueme · 09/11/2023 04:47

grottyb · 09/11/2023 04:43

What about CGT? Perhaps he’s trying to reduce how much he has to pay?

Surely CGT and stamp duty would still be due on the full value?

Likewise presumably the OP and her DH had to pay stamp duty based on market value when they were gifted the house? I could be wrong!

zozueme · 09/11/2023 04:48

Either way, there's no financial benefit to the OP and her DH in reducing CGT by giving away £500k to strangers!

zozueme · 09/11/2023 05:01

Having googled, it appears there's no stamp duty payable when a house is gifted, but if you sell a house below market value you may have to pay CGT on the increase based on the full market value - but this doesn't sound automatic so I'm not sure how likely ot is.

TabithatheTabbycat · 09/11/2023 05:04

This sounds like a plot for a novel... but if it were a novel, the DH would be secretly in love with the young woman, and somehow trying to to intertwine their fates

Dontsparethehorses · 09/11/2023 05:07

I know he probably is being unreasonable but I would feel the same as your dh. Your not in a situation where you need the extra money. Your child will be mortgage free and a couple who have clearly become friends get the house of their dreams. But I do recognise that is a very simplistic version of reality and that ultimately the extra income will probably win out

wellthisisakward · 09/11/2023 05:15

I'm a totally decent human, but if someone did that for me I'd say thank you and sell up and take the half a million profit!

It's bloody stupid why would you give away family wealth? If he's that generous sell and give some to a charity his parents supported.

FrenchandSaunders · 09/11/2023 05:22

£1.5m sounds incredibly cheap for a 5 bed London house with off street parking, garden etc

you need to persuade your DH that this is a crazy idea!

LameBorzoi · 09/11/2023 05:23

It's an idiotic idea. If he wants to give away his money, give it to a charity or something.

Kaftankween · 09/11/2023 05:24

I second thinking about the needs of future grandchildren. Also thinking the house might be worth much more than you’re anticipating. I wouldn’t give tenants £500k+ it wouldn’t keep the house ‘in the family’ like your DH is half thinking.

PaminaMozart · 09/11/2023 05:24

Dashel · 09/11/2023 04:00

How would he feel about selling if at market value and giving half a million to a charity he was passionate about?

That seems a much more noble thing to do. But I’m guessing he won’t like that idea as much.

I was coming on to say just that!

DaisyMaisyFaisy · 09/11/2023 05:24

He could always put a clause in it that if it’s sold within ten years he’d get a percentage of that profit

Ohnoooooooo · 09/11/2023 05:26

I think you’ll find your house is worth a lot more than £1.5 million. In fact you’ve likely lost a lot on the rent which has already allowed them to build up enough savings to buy their own house. Of course they have been nice to your hubby he’s been letting them rent a 5 bed in London dirt cheap!

GameOverBoys · 09/11/2023 05:27

You DH sounds amazing. What a kind and generous man he is. I think on balance it’s not a good idea but if you can afford it I’d find it hard to shut down such a lovely idea.

GameOverBoys · 09/11/2023 05:28

It may also cause resentment from your daughter

ohdamnitjanet · 09/11/2023 05:28

SunRainStorm · 09/11/2023 03:37

Lord. If you don't need the money, sell it at market value and then donate £500k to a charity that supports children in care.

You'll help thousands of vulnerable children who need help in real time, not one adult who has already left the system and is doing well.

They can afford a £1m house. They don't need your charity.

Exactly this! I was lost the second it was made clear two young people could buy a million pound house. Jesus.

grottyb · 09/11/2023 05:36

£1.5m sounds incredibly cheap for a 5 bed London house with off street parking, garden etc

Really just depends on the area of London…

TenaciousTortoise · 09/11/2023 05:39

This is ridiculous, completely agree as above they’ll just sell for 1.6 and pocket the extra TAX FREE. You’re literally gifting someone half a million pounds, outrageous.

Dont forget he will have to pay CGT on gains since he has owned it too.

MidnightOnceMore · 09/11/2023 05:39

It would be better to sell for market value and donate £500k to a charity like Shelter, rather than give one couple a massive discount.

I don't understand his approach to this one couple.

ChipButtiesRule · 09/11/2023 05:41

And from their pov, just starting out with their first home and suddenly finding they have £500,000 free equity - they might feel mad NOT to sell immediately and buy somewhere else with half the mortgage already paid.

Life happens and the chances are high that they will sell it at some point. If you sell them the house, that it something you have to expect and accept.

Bunnycat101 · 09/11/2023 05:43

I’d be amazed if it was ‘only’ £1.5m for a 5 bed in London. I think he’d be mad to gift £500k to them however good they’ve been as tenants.

grottyb · 09/11/2023 05:45

@zozueme my relative recently sold a house, probably could have got 1.2m for it especially if it was given a lick of paint. Sold it for 1m as wanted quick cash sale. The proceeds were split between her dc after the CGT bill & the reduced amount just meant less tax. Your income is also taken into account I don’t know what bracket the OP is in. And “full value” is often ambiguous.

limefrog · 09/11/2023 05:48

What a heartening post. I think it's a wonderfully kind thing that your husband wants to do, passing on a bit of your privilege to those who do not have the same head start.

My thoughts are that you are lucky to have such a thoughtful and kind husband, and this gesture will not make your retirement any worse or mean that you can't give a gift to your daughter.

I would let him do it and be thankful to have such good people in your life. Your husband's good nature will no doubt benefit you hugely also. Good for you both.

DNLove · 09/11/2023 05:49

Has he offered the house to your daughter? If I knew my father had given away over £500k to tenants I would never speak to him again give he gave me same amount. He sees me on same level he sees them.
Your husband is being an idiot. If he wasn't to feel like he's doing good rent the house out to another family before market value. He's allowed this family to leapfrog onto the property ladder by charging low rent, he could do same for another family.
Personally I would rent it out again, using an agent so there's no personal connection and each year sign 5/10% over to your daughter to minimise the tax impact when she inherits it.
What if your daughter or grandchild needed medical treatment in the future that was only available in America and it requires $500k and your looking back at that decision where your husband have that money away and you now can't help.

limefrog · 09/11/2023 05:50

LameBorzoi · 09/11/2023 05:23

It's an idiotic idea. If he wants to give away his money, give it to a charity or something.

Why?

There are so many young couples like the one OP describes who will struggle to get a foot into the housing market these days, through absolutely no fault of their own.

They know that they are a lovely couple and just trying to make their way in life.

OP only has the money through privilege that they have not had.

Why not help them?

jay55 · 09/11/2023 05:54

They will not struggle, they won't get a five bed house in London for their budget but they will have a lot of really nice options.