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DH wants to sell house significantly below market value

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MrsLyndi · 09/11/2023 02:34

My DH and I are 59 and 61 respectively. We have one child, she is 29.
My DHs parents passed away 10 or so years ago. About 10 years before this they gifted us their 5 bedroom house in a lovely part of London. They wanted to move back to where they had grown up having inherited his mother’s aunts home, but weren’t ready to see the house go as they raised DH and his late sister there.
DH has been renting the house out ever since, it’s been a nice earner for us as it is mortgage free. We live in rurally a few hours from London and had no intention of moving back so it made the most sense.

About 8/9 years ago we took a risk and allowed some fresh uni grads to move in. They made an impression at the time and we haven’t regretted it. They were lovely tenants. They slowly started moving out and now it’s one of the originals and his fiancé.
They are 27/30, incredibly good tenants (the house is gorgeous, we’ve allowed them to decorate as they wish. They are never late with rent, and just lovely people.
DH goes down to London once a month, he likes to sort the garden out himself and enjoys seeing the couple. He has gotten to know them. They are both from the north, one of them had a rough childhood, was in the care system etc. They are now both very successful, make good money etc.
DH was down at the weekend to do a last clear of the garden before winter. As per he got chatting to the couple, they gave an invite for their wedding next year. They also mentioned that they are starting to look at buying somewhere, joked they wish they could afford the house but it would be way out of budget etc. (We’ve been charging below market rate rent for a while now as we don’t need the income, and they are hassle free tenants who let DH potter in the garden).
They told DH they wouldn’t be looking at more than 1mil or so.
The house is probably worth about 1.5mil now potentially a little more(5 bedrooms, good sized garden, drive way, well decorated, in the catchment area for a fantastic primary, near one of Londons big parks and good transport links!).
DH has been thinking of selling the house for a few years and decided when they eventually moved out that he would sell it. He wants to give our daughter a gift that will pay off her mortgage (less than £500,000). Then use the rest of the money to enjoy our retirement. We have good pensions so that is not a concern.
Now DH has a crazy idea … he wants to sell them the house for what they can afford, around the £950,000-1mil mark, so significantly less than what it is worth!!!

His reasonings are

  • The girl reminds him of his mother, he’s always said this. Very cheery, fun person
  • One of them has overcome all sorts to get to where they are
  • He knows they will look after the house, they are planning to have a family etc.
  • “It feels like the right thing to do”

In DHs mind, we don’t need the money, even selling for significantly less, we can take care of our daughter and have a nice retirement.

I’m more on the fence. While they seem like lovely people, what if in 5 years they sell and run off with the £500,000+ profit. How does this work with a mortgage and such? We don’t know them all that well but would be essentially giving them half a million pounds!!!!
DH is a very kind and loving man but often too kind!
AIBU to think this is a crazy idea and wonder how it’s even possible?!

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VanGoghsDog · 10/11/2023 21:20

mumda · 10/11/2023 20:29

Take legal advice. Stamp duty and capital gains to consider.

Isn't stamp duty land tax only paid by the buyer, not the seller?

BrimfulOfMash · 10/11/2023 21:25

ToffeeMamma · 10/11/2023 20:04

There is a potential for a legal agreement. You could sell at the lower price but have a conditional clause that they can't sell up in a specified period without offering the property back to you for he price you sold them it. It's the same thing housing associations do.

Buying it back at £1m would incur SDLT of £71,250 . Plus legal fees.

usernamealreadytaken · 10/11/2023 22:06

MrsLyndi · 09/11/2023 08:25

No it’s a Victorian end of terrace, the living space isn’t great and it’s already been extended.
I just looked on right move and a house in a slightly nicer part of the same area but similar layout (In catchment for a “better” school, further from the busy main road etc.) but lacking the garden space, drive way and top floor room sizes of the one we own is sold STC for 1.1 mil. Maybe I’m actually overestimating the worth.
This is East Greenwich, walking distance to the park, half hour walk or a quick bus to North Greenwich for the tube and the mainline into London Bridge and beyond, so unless big changes in the last few years, it’s a nice area!

So, selling them the house for around £1m is actually around market value, not a huge discount, no doing DD out of an inheritance, no crazy DH? Just you, overestimating the actual value and belittling your kind DH’s good intentions?

Heb1996 · 10/11/2023 22:51

@limefrog I think the tenants have already got a head start though as they’ve paid a well below market rent for some years and are able to think about buying a £1 million house as first time buyers!! They don’t need any help at all, do they?? I would sell it for the full market price and keep the money within your family. That’s what it was intended for in the first place. Your husband has been more than generous already.

Mammajay · 10/11/2023 23:01

What a lovely man. I think we need more people like him to make the world a better place.

Mirrormeback · 10/11/2023 23:34

But it's your DD inheritance

You both inherited it what about her

Mirrormeback · 10/11/2023 23:35

I bet they sell it for market value within a year

They've seen your DH coming a mile off

PrincessAnnaOfArundale · 10/11/2023 23:36

I may be going against the grain here but I actually think your husband’s idea isn’t bad at all. What a generous thought process to have. I think out of the sheer amount of good fortune it seems you two already have, good pension, own house, (even if you sell the house for 1 million to them that’s still an incredible amount of money), it sounds like you were both very lucky to be given the house and your husband just wants to pass on that good fortune to other people who clearly work hard to look after the house. They pay their rent and work hard but weren’t lucky enough to be born into a family that left inheritance or born in the generation when housing was more affordable.

Honestly if you can afford to do it and it sounds like you can then why not? Your husband sounds absolutely lovely with a generous heart and I’m sure that’s one of the reasons you married him. It would be different if you would be leaving yourself short of cash or unable to help your own daughter out etc but it doesn’t sound like that’s the case. To me it seems like this house was gifted to you. You don’t need more money and you can see everyone right including your own family and your own retirement. I think it’s a lovely idea. The world needs kindness and it sounds like your husband has tonnes of it. You’re a lucky woman by the sounds of it. ❤️

Mirrormeback · 10/11/2023 23:41

I think your DH needs to take a huge leap back and stop visiting the house till it's sold

Because you are thinking of giving away £500K

Which is bonkers

Absolutely bonkers

Get a grip

Put your cold hard business head on

suitsyoumissus · 10/11/2023 23:49

PrincessAnnaOfArundale · 10/11/2023 23:36

I may be going against the grain here but I actually think your husband’s idea isn’t bad at all. What a generous thought process to have. I think out of the sheer amount of good fortune it seems you two already have, good pension, own house, (even if you sell the house for 1 million to them that’s still an incredible amount of money), it sounds like you were both very lucky to be given the house and your husband just wants to pass on that good fortune to other people who clearly work hard to look after the house. They pay their rent and work hard but weren’t lucky enough to be born into a family that left inheritance or born in the generation when housing was more affordable.

Honestly if you can afford to do it and it sounds like you can then why not? Your husband sounds absolutely lovely with a generous heart and I’m sure that’s one of the reasons you married him. It would be different if you would be leaving yourself short of cash or unable to help your own daughter out etc but it doesn’t sound like that’s the case. To me it seems like this house was gifted to you. You don’t need more money and you can see everyone right including your own family and your own retirement. I think it’s a lovely idea. The world needs kindness and it sounds like your husband has tonnes of it. You’re a lucky woman by the sounds of it. ❤️

Surely the young woman has found this thread 😂

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Tbry · 11/11/2023 00:23

No they are tenants. They are benefitting from low rent so can save.

More importantly anyone who can afford £1m as their first home honestly does not need anyone’s help. We are in the SE our cosy home cost a quarter of that.

Tbry · 11/11/2023 00:27

MrsLyndi · 09/11/2023 09:11

He’s a very loving man, but to this extent? No not in character.

When he met the young woman a few years ago, he was left a bit unnerved. She looks like and has the demeanour of his mother (down to the shade of ginger hair!). I’ve met her and she does remind me of his mother (some sort of cheeky glee about her at all times, exactly as his mother was). He learnt about her past (one parent passed, the other on a super long prison sentence, no grandparents in the picture, abuse filled childhood) and ever since he’s cared for her more than I’d say is normal. I think the resemblance to his mother, awful past and how successful she has become makes him feel a combination of protectiveness and pride.
I know it’s more about her than her partner, but he’s definitely letting emotion dictate.

Sad sob stories told to your landlord (ie your husband) firstly should not be occurring ever and secondly should not get you a cheaper house…..some people do know how to manipulate.

The relationship is a landlord/tenants relationship nothing else.

RosiePeel · 11/11/2023 00:28

How will your dd feel knowing some randoms have benefitted to the tune of half a million quid?! When you and your DH benefitted from inheritance yourselves?

Tbry · 11/11/2023 00:47

MrsLyndi · 09/11/2023 02:34

My DH and I are 59 and 61 respectively. We have one child, she is 29.
My DHs parents passed away 10 or so years ago. About 10 years before this they gifted us their 5 bedroom house in a lovely part of London. They wanted to move back to where they had grown up having inherited his mother’s aunts home, but weren’t ready to see the house go as they raised DH and his late sister there.
DH has been renting the house out ever since, it’s been a nice earner for us as it is mortgage free. We live in rurally a few hours from London and had no intention of moving back so it made the most sense.

About 8/9 years ago we took a risk and allowed some fresh uni grads to move in. They made an impression at the time and we haven’t regretted it. They were lovely tenants. They slowly started moving out and now it’s one of the originals and his fiancé.
They are 27/30, incredibly good tenants (the house is gorgeous, we’ve allowed them to decorate as they wish. They are never late with rent, and just lovely people.
DH goes down to London once a month, he likes to sort the garden out himself and enjoys seeing the couple. He has gotten to know them. They are both from the north, one of them had a rough childhood, was in the care system etc. They are now both very successful, make good money etc.
DH was down at the weekend to do a last clear of the garden before winter. As per he got chatting to the couple, they gave an invite for their wedding next year. They also mentioned that they are starting to look at buying somewhere, joked they wish they could afford the house but it would be way out of budget etc. (We’ve been charging below market rate rent for a while now as we don’t need the income, and they are hassle free tenants who let DH potter in the garden).
They told DH they wouldn’t be looking at more than 1mil or so.
The house is probably worth about 1.5mil now potentially a little more(5 bedrooms, good sized garden, drive way, well decorated, in the catchment area for a fantastic primary, near one of Londons big parks and good transport links!).
DH has been thinking of selling the house for a few years and decided when they eventually moved out that he would sell it. He wants to give our daughter a gift that will pay off her mortgage (less than £500,000). Then use the rest of the money to enjoy our retirement. We have good pensions so that is not a concern.
Now DH has a crazy idea … he wants to sell them the house for what they can afford, around the £950,000-1mil mark, so significantly less than what it is worth!!!

His reasonings are

  • The girl reminds him of his mother, he’s always said this. Very cheery, fun person
  • One of them has overcome all sorts to get to where they are
  • He knows they will look after the house, they are planning to have a family etc.
  • “It feels like the right thing to do”

In DHs mind, we don’t need the money, even selling for significantly less, we can take care of our daughter and have a nice retirement.

I’m more on the fence. While they seem like lovely people, what if in 5 years they sell and run off with the £500,000+ profit. How does this work with a mortgage and such? We don’t know them all that well but would be essentially giving them half a million pounds!!!!
DH is a very kind and loving man but often too kind!
AIBU to think this is a crazy idea and wonder how it’s even possible?!

This is all so utterly crazy, I feel so very sorry for you. If my DP suggested something like this that would also impact me I would be worried about him (ie if it’s health related), then be so utterly angry with him that he’d put a female tenant who reminds him of his mother over myself and our child. And if he did go ahead and do it I would leave him.

The couple, well female, know exactly how to play him. Mention a wedding then that they hope to buy but can’t afford the house!!!

The only good point I can come up with is that he’s not going to just give them the house as a wedding present.

caringcarer · 11/11/2023 01:35

I'd be asking him if he would really rather the money went to tenants rather than his own daughter? Make him think about it in those terms.

readyspaghetti · 11/11/2023 06:51

Speaking as someone with a child who has a severe disability. You don’t know the future for yourselves or your daughter or grandchildren. Having a pot of money for the future would be essential. Once it’s gone, it’s gone. You won’t get that money back and you might need it for your own care or your families care in the future. It’s an incredible gesture but unnecessary and I wouldn’t do it. Having a family member with a severe disability limits how you can work, earn and live and you just don’t know the future.

Tillyduck · 11/11/2023 06:55

Would your daughter want to live there to keep it in the family? Her £500k inheritance, plus the £500k you were going to gift to the tenants then she would need a £500k mortgage which sounds like she has around this already. Your husband would still be connected and could tend to the garden

Huxley1234 · 11/11/2023 10:25

You could sell it for that price but have it signed into the contract that when the house is sold by the couple the percentage you’ve given from the value of the home to enable them to buy should then be refunded to yourselves or your daughter.

Elly46 · 11/11/2023 11:00

I genuinely think it’s a beautiful sentiment from DH and understand his desire to want to be able to have occasional access to the home but at the very least it’d be hard for him to see it popped back up for sale again for £1.5mil or even more and be able to do nothing about it. It’s likely they’re in the position of afford that they are because of you both; or partly because of your assistance. Also I’ve seen first hand via immediate family how the nicest and most loving of relationships can deteriorate to the point of estrangement purely because of £££

Newgreendress · 11/11/2023 11:08

The young couple are well off enough to afford 4-bedroom house, when they would be fine in 1-bedroom apartment, if they were looking to save. They chose to rent a huge house instead, which even below market value, I assume is still much more than a small flat? Now they expect you and your husband to pay them back the difference (or get their rent back, whatever they have paid to you in rent) this way? How did you find them, OP?

StarlightLime · 11/11/2023 11:31

Newgreendress · 11/11/2023 11:08

The young couple are well off enough to afford 4-bedroom house, when they would be fine in 1-bedroom apartment, if they were looking to save. They chose to rent a huge house instead, which even below market value, I assume is still much more than a small flat? Now they expect you and your husband to pay them back the difference (or get their rent back, whatever they have paid to you in rent) this way? How did you find them, OP?

Yes, you'd have to wonder just how much of a discount on rent op's dh was allowing them 🤔
He sounds besotted by this girl and I don't buy the "she reminds me of my mother" nonsense for a minute. He sounds ripe for the plucking.

kaka79 · 11/11/2023 11:33

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TogetherWeLearn · 11/11/2023 14:41

This 🖕 First response nails it.

GrannyRose15 · 11/11/2023 18:22

It’s not a crazy idea but it is one that needs thinking about carefully. You need a proper valuation and to work out what the capital gains tax would be. It might be quite considerable and reduce what money you have left to play with. Then ask the couple if they want to make an offer. You can save on estate agents fees by making a private deal but do not skimp on solicitors. A good solicitor will be able to make sure the deal is watertight, perhaps with a restrictive covenant for a few years to stop the buyer selling up immediately. I’d consider going below market valuation by 100k for a quick and easy sale, but definitely not 500k