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DH wants to sell house significantly below market value

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MrsLyndi · 09/11/2023 02:34

My DH and I are 59 and 61 respectively. We have one child, she is 29.
My DHs parents passed away 10 or so years ago. About 10 years before this they gifted us their 5 bedroom house in a lovely part of London. They wanted to move back to where they had grown up having inherited his mother’s aunts home, but weren’t ready to see the house go as they raised DH and his late sister there.
DH has been renting the house out ever since, it’s been a nice earner for us as it is mortgage free. We live in rurally a few hours from London and had no intention of moving back so it made the most sense.

About 8/9 years ago we took a risk and allowed some fresh uni grads to move in. They made an impression at the time and we haven’t regretted it. They were lovely tenants. They slowly started moving out and now it’s one of the originals and his fiancé.
They are 27/30, incredibly good tenants (the house is gorgeous, we’ve allowed them to decorate as they wish. They are never late with rent, and just lovely people.
DH goes down to London once a month, he likes to sort the garden out himself and enjoys seeing the couple. He has gotten to know them. They are both from the north, one of them had a rough childhood, was in the care system etc. They are now both very successful, make good money etc.
DH was down at the weekend to do a last clear of the garden before winter. As per he got chatting to the couple, they gave an invite for their wedding next year. They also mentioned that they are starting to look at buying somewhere, joked they wish they could afford the house but it would be way out of budget etc. (We’ve been charging below market rate rent for a while now as we don’t need the income, and they are hassle free tenants who let DH potter in the garden).
They told DH they wouldn’t be looking at more than 1mil or so.
The house is probably worth about 1.5mil now potentially a little more(5 bedrooms, good sized garden, drive way, well decorated, in the catchment area for a fantastic primary, near one of Londons big parks and good transport links!).
DH has been thinking of selling the house for a few years and decided when they eventually moved out that he would sell it. He wants to give our daughter a gift that will pay off her mortgage (less than £500,000). Then use the rest of the money to enjoy our retirement. We have good pensions so that is not a concern.
Now DH has a crazy idea … he wants to sell them the house for what they can afford, around the £950,000-1mil mark, so significantly less than what it is worth!!!

His reasonings are

  • The girl reminds him of his mother, he’s always said this. Very cheery, fun person
  • One of them has overcome all sorts to get to where they are
  • He knows they will look after the house, they are planning to have a family etc.
  • “It feels like the right thing to do”

In DHs mind, we don’t need the money, even selling for significantly less, we can take care of our daughter and have a nice retirement.

I’m more on the fence. While they seem like lovely people, what if in 5 years they sell and run off with the £500,000+ profit. How does this work with a mortgage and such? We don’t know them all that well but would be essentially giving them half a million pounds!!!!
DH is a very kind and loving man but often too kind!
AIBU to think this is a crazy idea and wonder how it’s even possible?!

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Doris86 · 09/11/2023 12:33

Aside from the fact it is completely ridiculous to gift £500,000 to this couple, it may also cause problems in the sale process.

A friend of mine was once offered her brothers house for a cheap price. The mortgage company raised a lot of concerns about why she was paying well below the market value for it. Ultimately they decided not to lend her the money because of this.

JANEY205 · 09/11/2023 12:35

Janieforever · 09/11/2023 12:31

Honestly with your update I find it both disturbing and creepy, to basically want to give this woman half a million, I guess to impress her , is appalling, half of a million of family money , of his child’s inheritance . That’s an obsession too far.

It’s really really weird!! I bet OPs husband gets dropped like a hot potato too as soon as the deal is done or they sell up and move to ‘start a family.’
Id be furious if it was my husband essentially giving our child’s inheritance away or money we could spend on future medical care, fabulous family trips etc. These people are strangers!! I’d never consider a landlord or a tenant a friend let alone gift them half a million! It’s WEIRD. If he can’t let go of the house then bloody keep it.

Emotionalsupportviper · 09/11/2023 12:39

MargotBamborough · 09/11/2023 10:29

A Magic Circle lawyer is someone who works for one of the following law firms:

Allen and Overy
Clifford Chance
Freshfields
Linklaters
Slaughter and May

and here is what they earn:

https://www.rollonfriday.com/inside-info

It sounds like this woman is a qualified lawyer, not a trainee.

Thank you! (Seriously!)

As usual I have publicly exhibited my ignorance 😂!

I seem to do this a lot, but I learn a lot as a result because someone always kindly explains.

My common sense should have told me, but I honestly thought that this must be a very niche and lucrative area of law.

(And am now slightly disappointed that it isn't . . . 😉)

BrimfulOfMash · 09/11/2023 12:41

ntmdino · 09/11/2023 12:11

To be honest, I see where he's coming from - they've been good tenants (rare in this day and age), and there's been a relationship there for a long time. Sometimes, folk just want to do a nice thing for other people, and if there was more of that in the world...

The obvious solution is to sell at that price, but also to make a condition of the sale - legally-enforced with a contract - which says that if they decide to sell in the next 5-10 years, they have to give DH first refusal at a discount proportional to the one they're getting.

Given that you'd probably have to pool your resources to buy it back, that actually means that OP gains an interest in the house (not that it really matters at this point, I'm guessing).

I have no idea if it's possible for individuals to do this, but local authorities do it with Right to Buy all the time.

LOL. Imagine the Stamp Duty to buy (back) a house of that cost as a second home.

Having already paid the CTG on the original sale (at a massive premium due to paying it on the whole market value) and incurred possible IHT on the original gifted portion.

OP: The whole things is ludicrous. The couple said it as a joke. If they are spending £1m they will want to look around for house, the ideal area etc. OR they are looking for a great bargain… in which case they will flip the house and move to their ideal area etc.

It is a nonsensical whim.

Counselling around loss of his parents, his childhood house and his lost sister would probably be cheaper and bring him more long term peace.

Strawberryjams · 09/11/2023 12:43

If he is set on it could they buy the house for their price and him still be like a silent partner with the remaining value. Then if they decide to sell he gets a % of the property back regardless of its price increasing or decreasing? My uncle did something similar for my gran and his own son. Their houses and could do what they pleases but was an investment.

Emotionalsupportviper · 09/11/2023 12:45

kitsuneghost · 09/11/2023 10:56

They have given you a lot of money over the years
I think it would be the right thing to do

But I understand that is not the modern way of thinking and getting more money may be higher on your list than helping this young couple out

The traditional MN response to a comment like this is one I rarely use, but it is certainly appropriate in this particular instance.

Are you on glue? 😶

Sleepygrumpyandnothappy · 09/11/2023 12:45

If they can afford £900k-£1m at the discounted price then they are incredibly wealthy anyway. He might like them but they’re not people who need charity.

Janieforever · 09/11/2023 12:46

Op how old is your husband, this woman is 27. She doesn’t remind him remotely of his mother. He wants to keep her there, and of course they let him do the garden, hes a free gardener,

its a creepy obsession with a woman I am going to assume is much younger than him. You know it’s about her and it’s inappropriate. He’s just spinning you lines to justify it, you need to put a stop to this immediately.

Janieforever · 09/11/2023 12:48

Sorry just reread he’s 61 saying a 27 year old he’s known since 20 as a tenant reminds him of his mother, my arse, you know that’s not true. He has an inappropriate crush and they both know it.

HappyHamsters · 09/11/2023 12:49

I wouldn't do anything until you have 3 estate agent valuations, is the house in both your names.

Sparkletastic · 09/11/2023 12:55

There's no fool like an old fool

MongoFrogman · 09/11/2023 13:07

I knew this would turn into LTB before long!

Maybe OP could get the house for herself in the divorce.

KingsleyBorder · 09/11/2023 13:26

It’s quite possible that this couple would feel massively uncomfortable with the arrangement anyway. They will understand what it means for your DH, financially. They any actually be concerned that someone might suggest they somehow coerced your husband into selling at an undervalue. And, as someone else said, the mortgage lender may raise questions at the purchase being under value.

And if I were them, bought it, then in future decided to move eg to work in a different part of the country, I would worry that OP and her family would think I was just cashing in.

Also, they very possibly have their eyes on houses with different features that this one lacks, or fancy moving to a new area, and were just being chatty/polite when they said they wished they could buy this one. A young engaged couple might feel that it was time to move on from their graduate house share.

So it’s possibly a bit of a pipe dream anyway.

ntmdino · 09/11/2023 13:27

Frabbits · 09/11/2023 12:26

Rich people giving other rich people money is not doing good.

And nobody in their right mind would buy a house with that sort of condition attached.

At what point did I say "doing good"? I said it was a nice thing to do, for people he likes.

Why wouldn't they buy a house with that kind of condition attached? If they sold at a point where the market was higher than it is now, they'd still make exactly the same amount of profit as if they'd bought any house at the top of their budget (that's the "proportional" part)...and given that there wouldn't be a chain involved, it'd actually be an easier sale.

CecilyP · 09/11/2023 13:36

MongoFrogman · 09/11/2023 11:56

Sorry if this has been said already but it’s very unlikely that a bog-standard, neglected house in East Greenwich is worth anything like £1.5m. Just take a look on RightMove.

£1.1m-£1.2m may be a good price for it.

That said it’d still be a very bad idea to let this couple have it at below market value.

Better off giving them notice whenever you’re ready to sell, and then selling it empty.

Yes, first of all, get it professionally valued. If it comes in at 1.2 million, you could offer to the couple at 1.1 million bearing in mind it would be an easy sale, no estate agents charges and buyers not in a chain, less CGT. That way you all benefit. But a half million reduction would just be too much.

flappysam · 09/11/2023 13:38

Fucking hell- he's mad! No way- they've fed him a story and he's swallowed it hook, line and sinker!

Ginmonkeyagain · 09/11/2023 13:47

What's all this East Greenwich nonsense - do you mean Vanbrugh Park?

Lou197 · 09/11/2023 13:53

I actually don't think you can do this as it would be considered a gift and YOUR FAMILY might have to pay increased inheritence tax as a result.

MrsLyndi · 09/11/2023 13:59

Ginmonkeyagain · 09/11/2023 13:47

What's all this East Greenwich nonsense - do you mean Vanbrugh Park?

No, I guess I mean Maze Hill if you want specifics but more generally the area north of the train line and south of Trafalgar Road.

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CloudPop · 09/11/2023 14:02

Surely step one is to get the place valued by a couple of estate agents

Hibiscrubbed · 09/11/2023 14:11

He is a total mug.

Hibiscrubbed · 09/11/2023 14:13

She isn’t his mum. His behaviour is really, really weird.

AbacusAvocado · 09/11/2023 15:43

I lived in that exact area for 7 years and it was always called east greenwich, not Vanbrugh park.

HerMammy · 09/11/2023 16:19

He seems to have completely blurred the line between landlord and tenant.
Going to visit and do garden, knows all her personal background, now gifting them a cheap house even when they're very well off.
I'd not be happy at all, his behaviour is quite inappropriate.

Dappy55 · 09/11/2023 18:22

If this was a struggling first time buyer in a little terrace then I would think that it would be very good and moral to let them buy it at a reduced price. But these people can afford a million pound house so I would not look to give them half a million pounds! Like other people have said, what about his own family/ daughter.