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DH wants to sell house significantly below market value

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MrsLyndi · 09/11/2023 02:34

My DH and I are 59 and 61 respectively. We have one child, she is 29.
My DHs parents passed away 10 or so years ago. About 10 years before this they gifted us their 5 bedroom house in a lovely part of London. They wanted to move back to where they had grown up having inherited his mother’s aunts home, but weren’t ready to see the house go as they raised DH and his late sister there.
DH has been renting the house out ever since, it’s been a nice earner for us as it is mortgage free. We live in rurally a few hours from London and had no intention of moving back so it made the most sense.

About 8/9 years ago we took a risk and allowed some fresh uni grads to move in. They made an impression at the time and we haven’t regretted it. They were lovely tenants. They slowly started moving out and now it’s one of the originals and his fiancé.
They are 27/30, incredibly good tenants (the house is gorgeous, we’ve allowed them to decorate as they wish. They are never late with rent, and just lovely people.
DH goes down to London once a month, he likes to sort the garden out himself and enjoys seeing the couple. He has gotten to know them. They are both from the north, one of them had a rough childhood, was in the care system etc. They are now both very successful, make good money etc.
DH was down at the weekend to do a last clear of the garden before winter. As per he got chatting to the couple, they gave an invite for their wedding next year. They also mentioned that they are starting to look at buying somewhere, joked they wish they could afford the house but it would be way out of budget etc. (We’ve been charging below market rate rent for a while now as we don’t need the income, and they are hassle free tenants who let DH potter in the garden).
They told DH they wouldn’t be looking at more than 1mil or so.
The house is probably worth about 1.5mil now potentially a little more(5 bedrooms, good sized garden, drive way, well decorated, in the catchment area for a fantastic primary, near one of Londons big parks and good transport links!).
DH has been thinking of selling the house for a few years and decided when they eventually moved out that he would sell it. He wants to give our daughter a gift that will pay off her mortgage (less than £500,000). Then use the rest of the money to enjoy our retirement. We have good pensions so that is not a concern.
Now DH has a crazy idea … he wants to sell them the house for what they can afford, around the £950,000-1mil mark, so significantly less than what it is worth!!!

His reasonings are

  • The girl reminds him of his mother, he’s always said this. Very cheery, fun person
  • One of them has overcome all sorts to get to where they are
  • He knows they will look after the house, they are planning to have a family etc.
  • “It feels like the right thing to do”

In DHs mind, we don’t need the money, even selling for significantly less, we can take care of our daughter and have a nice retirement.

I’m more on the fence. While they seem like lovely people, what if in 5 years they sell and run off with the £500,000+ profit. How does this work with a mortgage and such? We don’t know them all that well but would be essentially giving them half a million pounds!!!!
DH is a very kind and loving man but often too kind!
AIBU to think this is a crazy idea and wonder how it’s even possible?!

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Mumtobabyhavoc · 09/11/2023 02:51

No. The tenants have benefitted greatly by having a gorgeous home to rent under market value. That is entirely generous enough. They are tenants, good ones, but tenants.

Cnidarian · 09/11/2023 03:02

No, that's insane. It's half a million pounds for goodness sake. He wants to give this couple the same as you would give your own daughter?? What if they sold the house immediately and cashed it in?

TammyJones · 09/11/2023 03:04

I totally see where he is coming from.
But like you said they could just uo and sell
With £500,000 profit they could get a lot of house for that round here.
I hope you are able to , gentle talk dh out of this.
Tell him to sit on the idea for another year.

PyongyangKipperbang · 09/11/2023 03:21

You are thinking in terms of "giving away half a million pounds" He is thinking in terms of still having links to his childhood home, it being another home to another family and hopefully being able to still potter in the garden.

You are the one with the practical thinking, him the emotional thinking. Neither of you is wrong for feeling as you do.

However, he needs to consider the fact that their situation may change. What if they buy it, split up and it gets sold to a developer? What if they buy it and sell it to a developer and move away..... add as many "what if's" as you like.

What he is hoping is that he will sell the house but still have a link to it, and that is unrealistic at best. I would suggest to him that you rent it for another year to think about it. Even if they found a house tomorrow they are not going to be leaving before Easter are they?

herewegoagain7 · 09/11/2023 03:21

But why do these people mean more than his own daughter

Even if she could have her mortgage of that amount is life changing for her, it's crazy to put other people rather than family first

FFSMabel · 09/11/2023 03:21

They weren't joking, they know your husband's a soft bugga and they're trying their luck!

Tell them not to be so moody cheeky.

And tell your husband to stop being so bloody daft. Ask him how he'd feel if you decided to give £500k away, just like that, whoooosh, gone!

I'm sure HIS MOTHER would have preferred HER GRANDDAUGHTER to benefit.

Redglitter · 09/11/2023 03:21

His intentions are good but how would he feel if he saw the house on Rightmove in 3 months time for £1.6 million

Theyre great tenants but equally they could see a gift like that as a great opportunity to slash their mortgage.

I'd point out to him it's probably because of his generosity in giving them a cheap rent that they can now afford such a large first time purchase. £1 million for first time buyers is pretty unusual

middler · 09/11/2023 03:24

Insane. That money should go to your daughter, these people earn well to afford a million pound home, they could just flip the home pocket the money and you just gave away your inheritance to two strangers, your dh's parents woould not have wanted that to happen with their home.

MumsGoneToIceland · 09/11/2023 03:27

I would expect a 5 bed in London to be worth way more than £1.5m depending on where it is. I suggest you start by getting a valuation of exactly how much it is as he may be thinking of giving away more than he thinks. However YANBU, it sounds like a crazy idea. I wonder how easy it is to sell a house way under value, a survey would call it out and then presumably solicitors would challenge it.

SunRainStorm · 09/11/2023 03:37

Lord. If you don't need the money, sell it at market value and then donate £500k to a charity that supports children in care.

You'll help thousands of vulnerable children who need help in real time, not one adult who has already left the system and is doing well.

They can afford a £1m house. They don't need your charity.

Motherofchickenslol · 09/11/2023 03:41

If you don’t need the money. Could you sell to them without using estate agents etc. How much would that save in fees? Or Could you write something into the sale that if they sell the house within x number of years they have to give you a percentage of the profits. A bit like a charge on the property. That way you would have a little protection from them profiting massively in the future from your DH kind offer?

Lightbulbspark · 09/11/2023 03:58

I think he has been very generous to the couple already. That amount of money could be kept aside for the benefit of any future grandchildren of yours. It might help with their school fees, or set them up in a career they love.

Dashel · 09/11/2023 04:00

How would he feel about selling if at market value and giving half a million to a charity he was passionate about?

That seems a much more noble thing to do. But I’m guessing he won’t like that idea as much.

saythatagaintome · 09/11/2023 04:05

Your DH sounds like my fathers family!

Janieforever · 09/11/2023 04:12

Can’t yo tell him it’s better to sell at market value and give your kid a million, or give 500k to charity if he’s so wealthy, than gift these people 500k?

it’s crazy he wants to do that.

AliceOlive · 09/11/2023 04:13

I am a softy but this is too outlandish.

Viviennemary · 09/11/2023 04:20

Basically it's his house so mainly his decision IMHO. But I do agree with some of the arguments against. Like they could sell in a year or two and make a big profit. Or give them a smaller discount.

zozueme · 09/11/2023 04:22

How on earth did a couple fresh out of uni afford to rent a 5-bedroom house in a nice part of London, even at below market rent, AND then within 7/8 years save the deposit for a £1m house? They're certainly not in need of anyone's charity.

He'd be crazy to do this, and it would be potentially hurtful to your daughter too.

QueenCamilla · 09/11/2023 04:28

As they say - the one's who have, get given...

I'm a better charity case - very tough upbringing, still up the rough North. I work hard in a minimum-wage job. I happen to be extremely cheery and chatty 😁 The garden needs work. The child needs Grandparents.
50k would be absolutely life-changing at the moment as my little house needs a lot of essential work otherwise I'll be homeless.

Yes/No?

P. S. Ignore my username

Rightsraptor · 09/11/2023 04:34

@PyongyangKipperbang mentions up above that your DH might be thinking of still doing the garden post-sale. Do you think he might, OP?

If so, this shows an emotional investment in the house which isn't healthy. The new owners could easily tell him to go away, they don't want him there and then he'll be very hurt. Is this low price a way of retaining some interest in the property? Perhaps he thinks he'll be allowed to remain on the periphery because they got it at such a good price - a kind of deal or unspoken contract.

Best to avoid.

Whiteday · 09/11/2023 04:39

It's crazy!

GarlicGrace · 09/11/2023 04:39

Thing is, once they've bought it his link will be severed anyway. He won't be their gardener, he won't be popping in for nice chats: they'll be starting their new independent life together.

I'm sorry his relationship with this house is coming to an end. If you rent it out to a new group of young people, though, he may be able to form a new relationship with it. No guarantee, of course, but the house will still be part of his life. It won't if you sell it.

Bournetilly · 09/11/2023 04:40

YANBU. They can afford a house for 1 mil, they don’t need to be given 500k. Give the money to your daughter instead if you don’t need it.

Also if they buy the house they might not want your husband coming round anymore to do the garden as it will be theirs (if that’s what he’s thinking).

Im sure they are a lovely couple but they have benefited from being charged less rent and have been able to save a large deposit for a house. They are not going to be offended at not getting the house for 1 mil.

grottyb · 09/11/2023 04:43

What about CGT? Perhaps he’s trying to reduce how much he has to pay?

grottyb · 09/11/2023 04:45

If you inherited 20 yrs ago there will have been significant gain in its value.

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