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HighlandCowSaysBooNotMoo · 06/11/2023 23:54

My father in law works in a government role.
Today he put a message in the family WhatsApp group asking if we could send him our addresses, d.o.bs, mothers maiden names, our place of birth, our address history, previous maiden names etc.
Apparently he needs this info from his 4 adult children, their spouses (me included) , his own siblings and his siblings spouses, grandchildren, his in laws etc. Basically he is covering every member of the family and spouses etc over the age of 18.
He has put something light hearted about it being needed for an enhanced security check that he's been told he needs for his job.
He is not changing jobs or position in the company. He has been in this job for since my husband was a wee kid!!
A couple of people have responded straight away with their data.
DH says IABU not to share mine with his dad
What do I do?

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helloimchangingmynamegain · 07/11/2023 15:42

This is perfectly normal for DV (developed vetting).

helloimchangingmynamegain · 07/11/2023 15:44

FrangipaniBlue · 07/11/2023 15:20

You have give details for 3 people to be interviewed. At least one of those should be from your friendship / peer group. One also has to have known you 10+ years, and one from your workplace.

Yes, contact details for characters references, no need to provide other information such a DOB and these people would not be vetted.

I had to provide all these details for my DV. It's pretty standard.

Plus my MIL / FIL, their partners, my parents partners, BIL / SIL, my brothers partner, my husbands bank statements... the list is exhaustive and very intrusive.

Obviousname6383 · 07/11/2023 16:09

HereForTheFreeLunch · 07/11/2023 11:04

Why would he specifically need OP's mothers maiden name for any security checks?

original birth name and birth location. Plus any name changes.

so not just mothers maiden name, that is just the most common name change .

as for friends, the information I have had to provide for them is very limited. Family requires more detail. I have had to ask friends to sign documents attesting to my identity. They could also be interviewed as a follow up.

justteanbiscuits · 07/11/2023 16:09

I know I had to include name, address, DOB and maiden name for all my close family (so parents, grandparents, siblings, siblings spouses, my partner, his siblings and his parents / step parents).

Mine was enhanced DV so quite detailed and took 9 months even though it was a fairly simple one.

Oopsadaisysgranny · 07/11/2023 17:05

My late father was very high up in the MOD I’ve never been asked these questions !!! I guess they just get the info if not provided !

ThePoshUns · 07/11/2023 17:12

Oopsadaisysgranny · 07/11/2023 17:05

My late father was very high up in the MOD I’ve never been asked these questions !!! I guess they just get the info if not provided !

Surely your father would know your full name , date of birth and your mother's maiden name, without having to ask you? 🙄

helloimchangingmynamegain · 07/11/2023 17:12

Oopsadaisysgranny · 07/11/2023 17:05

My late father was very high up in the MOD I’ve never been asked these questions !!! I guess they just get the info if not provided !

Presumably your father already knew your name, address and DOB and didn't need to ask 😊

Greenshake · 07/11/2023 17:33

@FrangipaniBlue they can and they will. Police ViSor vetting is the same, and it even states on the forms that consent is not a prerequisite.

coldcallerbaiter · 07/11/2023 17:48

what happens if a family member refuses, what are the consequences?
can he just put refused to answer?

Greenshake · 07/11/2023 17:49

They will be checked regardless.

KickHimInTheCrotch · 07/11/2023 17:55

I had to provide my parents and siblings details and that of their partners for my enhanced police vetting including dates and places of birth. My mum's DP wasn't pleased about it.

notlucreziaborgia · 07/11/2023 18:00

coldcallerbaiter · 07/11/2023 17:48

what happens if a family member refuses, what are the consequences?
can he just put refused to answer?

They’ll get the information anyway.

The person going through the clearance process would have to report the family member as being unwilling to provide the information. I would imagine someone refusing to provide the basic information requested could end up with them getting more closely scrutinized tbh.

rwalker · 07/11/2023 18:03

Can anyone explain why you wouldn’t and what the problem is

Greenshake · 07/11/2023 18:08

rwalker · 07/11/2023 18:03

Can anyone explain why you wouldn’t and what the problem is

Exactly. Numerous people on this thread will have been vetted in various contexts without even knowing it.

TheUltima · 07/11/2023 18:22

HighlandCowSaysBooNotMoo · 07/11/2023 00:01

Wouldn't his employers contact us for the information themselves if its needed?
And why the need to vet the spouses of his family .

My husband needed advanced security clearance, and they never contacted anyone that he gave details for. Was fun trying to get as much info as possible for his dad that he hasn’t seen since he was a toddler and none in the family seems to know much about, even his aunts and uncles!

Herbiebanannas · 07/11/2023 18:51

rwalker · 07/11/2023 18:03

Can anyone explain why you wouldn’t and what the problem is

No they can’t.

I have asked at least three times and nothing.

YogiYogiBear · 07/11/2023 18:53

Not sure about spouses of siblings etc but all normal for SC. They ask the person applying to list it then check against databases.

itsmeafterall · 07/11/2023 18:55

It's standard data for higher vetting.

He will be required to supply the data.

It might seem intrusive (it is!) but is necessary for higher security clearances and it helps to keep us all safer.

crispcreambun · 07/11/2023 19:16

Herbiebanannas · 07/11/2023 18:51

No they can’t.

I have asked at least three times and nothing.

No one owes you an explanation or even a reason why they don’t want to voluntarily surrender personal information.

SoupDragon · 07/11/2023 19:35

crispcreambun · 07/11/2023 19:16

No one owes you an explanation or even a reason why they don’t want to voluntarily surrender personal information.

Well, the OP kind of does given she is asking if she's being unreasonable.

wordler · 07/11/2023 19:36

Readingallnight · 07/11/2023 01:58

@JockTamsonsBairns and @poetryandwine i know and since posting that’s been praying on my mind and I’m not even in this situation.
I suppose if his workplace contacted me independently I would rethink it.
However, I am extremely cautious about people having access to my personal information.
Im even worried someone could have access to our new electric meter and see when we re on holiday. I burn every single letter with our address on it etc etc.
So handing out all that info, mothers maiden name etc if it got into the wrong hands would leave people wide open.

I hope I’m never put into this very difficult predicament.

I appreciate now, after reading others experiences, that it isn’t unusual.

If you vote and are on the electoral roll then your name and address are already in a database accessible by many people.

notlucreziaborgia · 07/11/2023 19:37

crispcreambun · 07/11/2023 19:16

No one owes you an explanation or even a reason why they don’t want to voluntarily surrender personal information.

It’s fairly pointless considering they’ll just get it anyway.

it’s hardly like you withholding your mother’s maiden name is all that stands in the way of the government commandeering your identity in the unlikely event they’d ever be so inclined.

MargotBamborough · 07/11/2023 19:45

notlucreziaborgia · 07/11/2023 19:37

It’s fairly pointless considering they’ll just get it anyway.

it’s hardly like you withholding your mother’s maiden name is all that stands in the way of the government commandeering your identity in the unlikely event they’d ever be so inclined.

You can find out most people's mothers' maiden names very easily using the birth index and sites such as Ancestry. I managed to do my friend's family tree with no prior knowledge other than her date of birth and her parents' first names, even though her mum has been married twice.

rwalker · 07/11/2023 19:48

crispcreambun · 07/11/2023 19:16

No one owes you an explanation or even a reason why they don’t want to voluntarily surrender personal information.

Probably to embarrassed to say there just been awkward for the sake of it

Sophie89j · 07/11/2023 20:07

I have no advice however, I am really enjoying the comments especially the conspiracy based ones 😂

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