The Government thinks I am an extremist

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I am a member of Republic.
Republic are a pressure group that wants to see an end to the Monarchy.
The Monarchy is an institution in the UK.
I will try ti undermine it.

That makes me an extremist.

Revealed: plan to brand anyone ‘undermining’ UK as extremist | UK security and counter-terrorism | The Guardian

Government officials have drawn up deeply controversial proposals to broaden the definition of extremism to include anyone who “undermines” the country’s institutions and its values, according to documents seen by the Observer.

@askmenow you OK hon?

It was under his Government that our civil liberties first started to be eroded. The rights and liberties set up post WWII to try to prevent the same thing happening again.

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but it's when those opinions then turn into actions that have a negative impact on others.

this is laying groundwork before the election. If the public accepts this and votes them back in again things will get a lot lot worse.

it's not often that people argue that Thatcher didn't do anything to erode civil liberties.

So in your opinion the government is always right then?? Really?

Agree 100%. They want a split country — them and their elitist friends who live off the labour of the majority who should keep their mouths firmly shut.

Still no substance to the clickbait from the, Oh! so successful Guardian/Observer article.

In fairness the Mail on Sunday are focusing on the Conservative Party covering up sexual assault by one of their MPs.

Really????!

How do you know OP doesn't have a job? And Republic were given an apology by the Met for the way they were treated, so clearly the Met got it wrong on the day of the coronation.

Devil is in the detail. I'm all for arresting people who block motorways, major junctions preventing emergency vehicles getting through etc, but I believe those same people are free to protest with placards etc outside of parliament ... Fine to want to end the monarchy peacefully, fine to go to debates on the subject and protest with aforementioned placards but not to disrupt the actual coronation procession as the vast majority there have a right to enjoy it. (And afterall shouting slogans wouldn't change anything, just ruin the day for others)

I home educate for ideological reasons. I wonder if I could be classed as an extremist as I'm 'undermining the countries institutions and values' That's if we count the education system as an institution. I definitely undermine it, as I think it's outdated and not fit for purpose.

No. Choosing not sending your child to school does not undermine the education system, because the education system allows you to legally home-educate your child. That's like saying you undermine the NHS by choosing to go to a private doctor.

@Notonthestairs Did you miss out the idea of an answer to my question for substance? such as a definition of something.
Quoting about another topic is pointless.

Freedom of speech is important and peaceful protesting is fine. However, larger successful groups that are well funded need to take responsibility for their members too. So if you allow angry crazy people to join your ranks and protest on your behalf in an unhinged way harming others there have to be some laws that make your organisation rand responsibility too. Why should police officers have to suffer etc?

"I am a member of Republic.
Republic are a pressure group that wants to see an end to the Monarchy.
The Monarchy is an institution in the UK.
I will try ti undermine it."

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Well that all depends on exactly how you intend to undermine it.

Putting barrels of gunpowder under the Houses of Parliament on November 5th would definitely put you in the extremist category whereas writing a letter to your MP or newspaper would not.

This thread is not about the monarchy and you have completely missed the point.

Oh no. Sorry. Wasn’t ignoring Thatcher at all! Just explaining why Blair might have been mentioned. I was a child during the Thatcher years so know less about it but by the time Blair was elected I was a student, more politically aware and full of hope for change. And then slowly that hope was eroded. I watched the film ‘Taking Liberties’ which opened my eyes to the erosion of our rights. No comment on Thatcher at all! I just can’t talk with any degree of knowledge about that era.

Errr. The OP could be a brain surgeon for all you know. I am a professional in a senior role. I am a member of an organisation that would most likely be classed as extremist.

Ghandi and his followers would have been classed as extremist.
The suffragettes would have been classed as extremist.
People opposing the Nazi regime might have been classed as extremist.

Who gets to decide?

Further to what I said last night: The SNP wants to split from UK, It has built up a following and it has become a political force and is taken very seriously. It persuaded by arguing and convincing many people that their ideas would be beneficial to Scotland. Rational argument is part of democracy.
They did not vandalise with paint randomly owned buildings in order to convince the rest of us. They realised that that influences nobody.

Was it not the Scottish Stuart King James 6 who wanted to be King James 1 of the entire British Isles after the death of Elizabeth1st?

Slightly off the Republic bit ( I agree to ending the monarchy as well) I read that Braverman is calling the marches supporting Palestine "hate marches" now .

Hating the genocide that is being carried out in name of defence ?

BottleShipDown
The suffragettes would have been classed as extremist

Certainly - the suffragettes orchestrated a bombing and arson campaign.

Of course. A few reasons. I think the current classroom model is still based on the Victorian system. Young children made to sit at their desk for most of the day, listening to teacher at the front of the room. Preparing them to be good workers in the industrial revolution. When there are so many better models around the world. Where children learn through collaboration, playing and exploring their interests.
I believe that the world has changed and is still changing dramatically, so the skills school children are learning won't serve the majority of them well in the future. There is a great Ted talk by Sir Ken Robinson, about how schools kill creativity. Being a creative thinker is what is required to succeed in the modern world.
I want my children to enjoy their childhood, be free to explore and to maintain their love of learning. Most adults are doing jobs that they don't really enjoy, because they never got the chance to really explore their interests and develop the skills that might have better served them.
There are obviously exceptions to the rule and majority of people may argue that I'm totally wrong. That's fine, I'm not here to convince anybody.
I also don't like the level of bullying and sexualisation of children that is happening in schools, but that's another thread.

The sooner this lunatic government goes the better. We managed to survive the Cold War without bullshit like this, and the supposition that Conservatives would not be "extreme" under a future government is wrong. They assume, incorrectly, that these repressive laws would never be applied to them because they are "decent".

What a mess the Conservatives have made of what was once a sensible and wealthy country. Every right thinking person should be repelled at their failures and see this for what it is, a paper thin attempt to cover up the fact that policing and the criminal justice system is in its knees because of their total mismanagement of it.