AIBU to think it's unfair same sex couples can get IVF on the NHS but not single women?

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https://news.sky.com/story/fertility-inequality-how-single-women-are-facing-ivf-discrimination-and-financial-strain-12996293

Sometimes perhaps, but parenting is hard for a whole host of reasons!

Having a child isn't a right, and not having a child isn't life threatening. The nhs is failing rapidly, the waiting lists for basic stuff to make people's lives livable are off the scale, ivf isn't essential by any parameter so you can sod off with your only rich people bs.

This. Regardless of gender/sexuality, people should have to pay for treatment. No one has ever died because they can't conceive.

The NHS can't afford it, at the moment.

1. none of those things are in any way related to single women who want free IVF because they don’t fancy going the boring biological route.
2. You still seem to have no idea what living with a hugely disabling condition systematic like rheumatoid arthritis might be like. It’s not comparable to infertility. Or breast implants. Really it’s not.

It's one of the things that's a suggestion that nhs trusts do but I don't know a single one that does it.

In my area you have to have self funded multiple iuis, it's definitely not funded

Even Fertility Network say the same thing especially during cost of living so stick that in your pipe.

https://fertilitynetworkuk.org/

I understand what you are saying but I believe it is classed as a human right by Geneva though. I think!

You have a right to a family life which is different. There's no right to being fertile, having a baby or IVF.

Maybe I'm wrong and we are all entitled to free babies (serious question)?

It already is in some areas. In some places you get no free ivf, in other places you get three rounds.

I agree that ivf should be free for no one, sad as it is for the couple. Or, everyone should get the same number of free rounds. The current system is often very unfair.

Yes, I appreciate that there's a lot in parenting!

Anyway the NHS funded up to three cycles for us and I have two children from it. Maybe another if I can save for a last FET. Very grateful.

I tried to take my own life after repeated IVF failures.

Yes it is. We were entitled to three cycles but didn't need them all thankfully however over in the next county they have started giving one cycle again after scrapping it completely.

Yes there is a “right to marry and found a family”. That is more to do with protecting the freedom to pursue parenthood through various avenues. Governments can’t forcibly sterilise you, but they have no duty to provide you with a child either. They can’t stop you having private fertility treatment or pursuing adoption. That’s my interpretation anyway.

No!
Because
1 they are not /necessarily infertile.
2 they are not proving they are infertile by trying for 2-3 years like a couple would have to
3 most areas arent providing 3 rounds anyway. It was 1 here...
4 the woman in the article was wrong she should have done the iui as not infertile why would that not work within 6 rounds?
5 ivf may later have consequences (that iui wouldnt) so for that reason alone why would we encourage people to do that for no reason
6 she knew she was single from eg 30 or not married so why not save up enough to have the treatment. A couple in contrast dont know until they try. (This is also my opinion on same sex couples and re the iui for gay women - unless medically ivf needed)
7 maybe all women (and men) should start a fund from if they havent had kids by 30.
8 it took us 3 years to have dd1 on nhs till birth - one round! Because of how long appointments took. We only tried for 1 year then serious issues found actually with dp even though we initially assumed it was my irregular periods
9 its not discrimination as likely the woman has nothing wrong.

@Zebedee55 how do you know no one's ever died? Infertility causes mental health issues in majority- if not all of cases and some women won't recover from that and this could be a cause of suicide.

If you've never been through it you'll never understand but don't invalidate how much it affects women and some men so badly in all other aspects of their life.

No it isn't.
The right to have family is about being able to date, marry or live with your chosen partner without state interference, and not having children removed by the state without cause, not to have a child through state funded ivf.
I really wish people would stop quoting stonewall law.

I’m very sorry about that but you needed MH help and counselling.

It is obvious from my post I wasn't sure.

Like I said I wasn't sure!

YABU

Being a single parent puts the child at a disadvantage.

By having IVF treatment you are choosing to put your child at a disadvantage.

I can’t see why anyone would give you a costly and lengthy procedure to do something so selfish.

Adoption is slightly different as 1 parent is better than none.

The thing about being suicidal or depressed is it's completely understandable. It even if IVF was given for free there's no guarantee you'll get a baby from it.

So, if it's getting to that point, you do need support with your mental health (even if to do qualify for free IVF).

You've linked to a fertility charity, hardly an unbiased viewpoint is it? And my point stands re whether or not the nhs should fund ivf 🙄

I dislike the term ‘child poverty’ because you can’t possibly separate it from ‘parent poverty’, but the fact is that child poverty is more prevalent among the children of single parents.
So I can see why the NHS, which is always strapped for cash anyway, should not facilitate IVF for single women.

At least you could console yourself with the thought you had a good try. My mental health was better once IVF started as at least we were being proactive.

Indeed. This is one of those weird distortions of human rights law that takes root.

You are entitled to a family life - without undue state interference in how you eat or stuff like that.

But there is no right to have a baby. And certainly no right to have the state compensate for choices you make that prevent you from doing so (like deciding you’d just rather not have a relationship).

Biology matters. In this and several other spheres.

Private fertility treatment is available for those who want it. But single women shouting about rights and discrimination in relation to NHS IVF treatment are the epitome of luxury beliefs driving false oppression narratives.