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Vile SIL and Christmas

90 replies

IhateRachelclub · 01/11/2023 12:04

My SIL lets call her Rachel is vile, she has temper tantrums regularly. Generally directed at her father. Usually, the tantrums will be for something nobody has any idea about, she will sulk for months, and be outright nasty for ages.

To the current dilemma. MIL has been seriously ill recently and is recovering. I asked DH to find out what MIL and Rachel's plans are for Christmas, if it’s at our house I will need to order food etc.

SIL left DH on read (so we knew she was pissed off at one or both of us), then yesterday she sent a calculated rude message, saying Christmas is her mother’s religious festival and she (SIL) will cook as she always has.

This is meant to be nasty as I am Muslim and Christmas has no religious bearing for me. I and DH and our DC all join in the festivities with his family to keep them happy and it is fun being with family. Frankly if I could stay home and relax with my kids watching crap on TV and just being together it would be far cheaper and agreeable for us.

SIL’s behaviour during Christmas’s past has been as follows, she will wake up late huff and puff at all ‘the work’, be rude and shouty with her mother, we all pitch in (she isn’t doing the work herself by any means), washing dishes and chopping veg, getting the turkey in the oven, and OMG I made gravy one year, and she was so vile to me kept telling me my gravy was floury and she preferred the tinned gravy. I’ve not made her gravy since, she gets her tinned gravy every time now, despite asking me last year where the vegetarian gravy was (she is vegetarian when it suits her), I told I know she found my gravy to taste floury so we’d ensured we had her fave tinned gravy in.

I know MIL does not want Christmas at her house she is not well and its too much for her, but this is what will happen as SIL bullies her mother to do what she wants. SIL will then be a martyr and spend the day being nasty and bitchy to me and DH (who is used to his sister’s nastiness). Then we will no doubt hear about how hard done by she is for the rest of the year.

I personally do not want to go to MIL’s this Christmas, my older DC will be at work, we don’t celebrate Christmas so they take on shifts for their colleagues who do. I don’t want to spend my day walking on eggshells around SIL and listening to her bitching at me and trying not to walk in on her bitching about me to her mum. I don’t want or need to hear her nastiness. She is vile, I know this, I don’t need more reason to dislike her.

I am fine for DH to go and take our younger DC because I know MIL will want to see her DGC. But he’s upset that his mum will be upset if I don’t go.

I don’t want to be a target for SIL and I know I will utterly lose it with her, I’ve spent years biting my tongue and laughing off her bad behaviour. I don’t want to anymore. She is horrible, she has a long history of being nasty at every opportunity to me and DH. I don’t want to be available for her to abuse anymore.

How do I go about this without hurting MIL and giving SIL more ammunition to be nasty?

OP posts:
Nicole1111 · 01/11/2023 15:37

You can say you’re not going because mil made it very clear that she wasn’t up to hosting because of her health and you want to respect her choice

Zimunya · 01/11/2023 15:42

Ibravedaflood · 01/11/2023 12:20

Stay home Christmas day and invite mil Boxing Day for a lovely buffet lunch.. Just mil.

Love this idea.

Coyoacan · 01/11/2023 15:44

Use your oldest as an excuse not to go and invite your MIL around on another day.

WinterDeWinter · 01/11/2023 15:51

thinkfast · 01/11/2023 14:56

I'd send a saccharine reply back to Rachel. Something like:

That sounds lovely. I'm sure MIL will enjoy your delicious cooking as always. We will pop by to MIL's on Xmas eve to drop off some presents and spend some time with MIL and we will invite MIL and FIL to a meal at ours on a different day. Smile

Perfect - but I’d add ‘when she’s had time to recover’ to the end.

if SIL comes back with an attack I’d say ‘really don’t want to fall out over this but I think we both know that you often need a punchbag and it’s often me, and this year I just don’t have the energy. Hope you have a lovely day though, we’ll see you soon I’m sure.’

AbbeyGailsParty · 01/11/2023 15:58

Visit Christmas Eve, bright and breezy, no need to stay for hours. Then take just MIL out for a meal or afternoon tea somewhere really nice after Christmas.
Relax and do as little as possible Xmas day/Boxing day.

AgentJohnson · 01/11/2023 16:08

As much as you feel for your MIL, her pandering to her daughter all these years is partly responsible for the current situation. There is no way I would tolerate this woman, and definitely not under my roof.

At present you going along with your H dysfunctional family dynamic, isn’t helping anybody but I wouldn’t sacrifice a chill day for you and your kids to pacify your H’s messed up family.

momtoboys · 01/11/2023 16:12

Speedygonzales78 · 01/11/2023 12:16

Either stay home and have a chilled day by yourself or go to the family day and lose your shit with her when she starts on you. I wouldn't be tolerating this behaviour, my mil ruined my Christmas every year for 10 years asking when we'd produce grandchildren, which unbeknownst to her we'd been trying for year with no luck. We are no contact with her now after she asked if I'd like to adopt her constipated shit when she eventually went to the toilet. Im telling you my life is so much less stressful!

This may be the worst thing I have ever read on Mumsnet and that is saying a lot. I'm so sorry.

Theunamedcat · 01/11/2023 16:31

She isnt lovely to your kids though? If she is nasty to the parent that is nasty to the child don't inflict her on your children for the sake of family peace

DH can pop over if he wants too you and the children will stay home and you will have Christmas at home you will visit with the children Christmas eve or mil can pop over boxing day

Tessasanderson · 01/11/2023 16:32

This is one of those occasions where i would suggest 'pulling a sickie'. Just pre warn DH that you are not going and intend to be 'ill' that day. He goes and keeps everyone happy and tells everyone you dont want to inflict your flu like symptoms on everyone.

Everyones happy. You get to stay at home and chill.

Dont get dragged into other peoples shitfests

Ivymom · 01/11/2023 16:43

In addition to staying home Christmas Day, I would block sil on your phone, SM, email, etc. DH has failed to protect you from or put a stop to her abuse, so it’s time to protect yourself. He needs to be responsible for all interactions/relationship with her. Ideally, he would tell her that he sees her abusive behavior towards you and that he will no longer allow it, therefore, she can no longer contact you.

Emotionalsupportviper · 01/11/2023 16:46

It sounds a horrible, stressful way to spend the Christmas season (and if your MIL is a practising Christian it should be the most joyful time of the year for her).

Could you be "ill" on Christmas Day (start feeling "ill" a couple of days before - ocular migraine, perhaps? That way no-one else in the family is contagious).

Greenberg2 · 01/11/2023 16:51

I'd pop over in the morning for present exchanges, MiL to see the children etc. You can then go home and have your leisurely day with your kids and DH. Your SiL cannot then claim to feel snubbed as you've seen her and if she complains you just say that you don't want to burden her with cooking for everyone.

Then you can invite MiL for Boxing Day.

People can often use guilt to bully others. Your abusive childhood will have sensitised you to this kind of behaviour. You don't have to repeat these patterns, although they will be deep-rooted in you.

Long term I suggest you have some therapy to work through these family patterns.

CowboyJoanna · 01/11/2023 16:53

Speedygonzales78 · 01/11/2023 12:16

Either stay home and have a chilled day by yourself or go to the family day and lose your shit with her when she starts on you. I wouldn't be tolerating this behaviour, my mil ruined my Christmas every year for 10 years asking when we'd produce grandchildren, which unbeknownst to her we'd been trying for year with no luck. We are no contact with her now after she asked if I'd like to adopt her constipated shit when she eventually went to the toilet. Im telling you my life is so much less stressful!

"adopt her constipated shit " GrinGrinGrin

Whowhatwherewhenwhy1 · 01/11/2023 16:56

Tell her now exactly what you think of her and do not go. Invite your mil on her own over for a nice xmas meal and family time on Boxing day. If vile sil kicks off let her crack on and repeat the reasons why she is not welcome in your home. You reap what you sew. Life is too short to put up with people like her. She is Probably long overdue a swift, sharp reality check.

SplendidUtterly · 01/11/2023 17:11

Just don't go.
Develop flu like symtoms a few days before.
Or you do go and "accidently" find a hair in her pissing gravy and start gagging/choking on it at the table 🙂

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