Go in for training on annual leave

[Princesspollyyy]

I'm on annual leave from work this week. Manager has said in the WhatsApp group that there's mandatory training that needs to be done, and the trainers will be at work two days this week if people can pop in.

I've replied saying I'm on annual leave this week. Some other people have said they will pop in (who aren't on annual leave, just days off).

I don't feel I should have to go in on my annual leave, I'm not abroad but I'm really busy and have loads planned.

Should I go in?

Just lie and say you've booked an overnight stay in another town so won't be around.

Whats the difference between days off and annual leave???

I wouldn't have looked at my messages, but I certainly wouldn't go in during annual leave.

You're being a Drama Llama. You don't have to go, you've told them you're on leave. Just enjoy your holiday.

That shouldn't be remotely necessary. The OP is on leave and is under no obligation to attend, even if she's just sitting in front of the TV in a onesie eating chocolate.

Why are you checking a work WhatsApp group whilst you're on holiday?

It can't be much of a holiday

Switch off FFS

No, I'm not suggesting you do any of that. As I said, nobody would reasonably expect you to fly over from another country for training so I doubt they expect you to come in at all. But if it helps to settle your anxiety in the aftermath of you enjoying your time off, you can check your AL policy (which undoubtfully says that you are not required to participate in work activities while on authorised time off).

I might if it suited me but I wouldn't feel obligated to. I'd get the time back later anyway.

It's a general Whatsapp group message, you haven't been asked directly so no need to feel offended that it's during your annual leave. Presumably if it's a decent sized workplace then there's going to be someone on annual leave most weeks anyway?

Part timers?

They fall under two different policies. Days off is a part of routine scheduling and there may be stipulation in the contract that these may be subject to change, TOIL etc. Annual leave is authorised on case by case basis so typically cannot be recalled after it's been confirmed. Some settings however may have a clause that allows changes to authorised leave. I have it in my Al policy which allows cancellation of approved leave in "exceptional operational circumstances" but the manager is required to give me notice that is no shorter than the requested number of leave days. I.e. if the OP requested 5 days of leave, in my setting she would have been given at least 5 working day notice that she needed to attend training. Not over the WhatsApp group though, I imagine, and also I am not convinced that training qualifies as "exceptional operational circumstances"

I think you shouldn't go in, unless you wouldn't be able to do your job without this training - though that's still your empowers problem.

If your manager wants to formally recind your annual leave that's for her to propose, and they should compensate you for any loss to you eg train tickets booked for that day.

You need a decent block of leave to de-stress.

well ignore it and dont go in then

No idea why this is such a big deal - they've asked for people to come in, you either can and will nudge your day off by one in to the next week or cant as you have plans/dont want to

there is no need to angst

I have it in my Al policy which allows cancellation of approved leave in "exceptional operational circumstances" but the manager is required to give me notice that is no shorter than the requested number of leave days.

That is less than the legal minimum required to cancel a period of annual leave (I think this is the case as it says "must" )

Booking time off
The general notice period for taking leave is at least twice as long as the amount of leave a worker wants to take, plus 1 day. For example, a worker would give 3 days’ notice for 1 day’s leave.

An employer can refuse a leave request or cancel leave but they must give as much notice as the amount of leave requested, plus 1 day. For example, an employer would give 11 days’ notice if the worker asked for 10 days’ leave.

If the contract says something different about the notice a worker or employer should give, what’s in the contract will apply.
https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/booking-time-off-

Absolutely NOT!!

My manager would have said

"If you want to come in for X amount of hours we will give you the leave back, if not no worries" and that would be that

I’m a trainer and I wouldn’t come in. The reality is no matter when the training is planned someone is guaranteed to be on A/L, sick, suspended, Bereavement leave, maternity, paternity, adoption leave- if you have a lot of employees.

It was a text sent to everyone- not just you. You’ve replied to say you are ok leave and leave it. Your manager won’t be giving it thought like you are. You are turning it into a drama.

You don't need to do anything. You are on annual leave. Just enjoy the rest of your time off.
If the training is mandatory, the manager can arrange for those who were not working that day to do it another time.
Your employer does not own you or your non work time

If you were away on holiday you wouldn't fly back for it.

'Please can everyone make an effort to attend' is the nicest possible way of asking.

Are you looking for something to be annoyed about?

Just enjoy your leave and don't look at work messages until you're back at work. Honestly, this is nothing to stress about, it's just business as usual even though you aren't there.

Why are you so worked up? You’re being really snippy in your replies to people and there is no need for it.

You’re on leave. You shouldn’t even be reading your work messages. You’ve replied anyway and reminded her that you’re in leave, so it’s over and done with. Don’t go in, enjoy the rest of your break. Work will need to sort training for those who miss it.

This is a non-event. Calm down.

I think you’re blowing this massively out of proportion and over thinking it. You’ve told her you’re off and won’t be attending and leave it at that.
What’s she going to do? Come your house and drag you in 😂

Thank you. It looks as though "if the contract says something different... what's in the contract will apply" so who knows.

to be honest @Catza if you're happy, and the company are happy.... then why complain?

Don't know, I'm not really the one complaining. I am quite content with how my organisations handles leave and wouldn't bat an eyelid if someone posted in a group Whatsapp about making effort to come in for training as would assume it doesn't apply to me.

Definitely not. You could be on holiday elsewhere and wouldn't be able to attend so they shouldn't expect you to.