Who actually benefits from changing the clocks?

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Kids up at 5:30. Pretty sure that the same thing has happened in many, many houses this morning.

It's just an hour, but so disruptive to children.

Who benefits? Winds me up every year.

I like it me. Twice a year someone comes on here kicking off over it.. like clockwork.

I totally agree you should get paid the extra hour but from what I understand you work so many hours unpaid anyway that complaining about this one specifically seems a bit like rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic.

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I genuinely don’t know how you cope with raising kids if you’re this grumpy with having to get up an hour early for a few days.

Have you ever been to a farm in the dark. They don't tend to have lights in the fields 😁

I'm a commuter and I leave for work about an hour earlier than the children. Once you get to probably the middle of November, it's still dark when I get on the train. If the clocks didn't go back an hour, they would start their walk to school in the dark including across a road with no zebra or pelican crossing. I live in the south of England so this problem is much more acute in Scotland (in fact, even with the clocks going back it is probably still dark when some of them set out!).

However, if you want to start a conversation about why we shouldn't put the clocks forward an hour in March, I can get onboard with that!

Me, it's lighter for a few weeks when I leave the house to get the train at 6.45am.

We're "supposed" to have equal amounts of daylight either side of midday. Putting midday forward at the end of March and back again at the end of October corrects this.

If you want to see examples of how not doing this affects people look at eastern states of India.

The argument and discussion should be about whether or not there is BST all year round, or GMT all year round. Perhaps whether Scotland should be on GMT year round if England and Wales were on BST, as the arguments for GMT year round in Scotland are much stronger.

The case for what we have now ended once much of industry and mining had been closed in the 80s and 90s.

Instead of changing the clocks how about changing school/work hours to start an hour later in the winter?

Dreadful attitude to have towards farmers.

Most people will think the same towards your kids and being woken early.

People know I don't actually mean fuck all farmers? I'm in a sarcastic, sardonic mood. I'm no author though I agree, meaning is lost at 5:30 am GMT/BST/whatever the fuck

It's for the benefit of the Scottish people. They moan when its dark in the mornings, so it's to keep them happy(ier)

You sent your poorly children to cough and splutter all over their granny. This is your punishment OP.

But you'll get the benefit in 6 months time when your kids will suddenly start sleeping in an extra hour for a few days until they adjust? So the pain now is traded off against some lovely lie ins next summer.

That's how I've made peace with it with 3 young kids who always wake up super early when the clocks go back.

As I thought I might have misunderstood the pp's point when I ranted about Devon and farmers, As they may actually have meant more light in the mornings in the South, I looked up the actual difference between Joh o'Groats and Cornwall. I picked a specific day - 29th November and viewed the celestial forecast. The actual difference in how early the sun rises is approximately 30 minutes. It's only about 17 minutes in Edinburgh. For the majority of the country, the difference between regions isn't actually that big. As someone said further upthread, Scotland isn't the arctic.

I have moved a bit since my Devon youth within the UK, but most recently moved from the channel Islands to North Yorkshire and honestly, the difference in dawn and dusk times aren't so great as to be that noticeable.
It might be more so in rural areas - it certainly seemed so on our minimally lit Devon village as a child, but the fact is, the difference in times of sunrise simply don't justify Scotland being in a different time zone.

Not sure I do cope, I just grind it out.

Tbf I'm on week two of the half term holidays, it's pissing it down, and I'm allowed a grumpy morning every now and then

Two week half term holidays? That's unusual isn't it?

Have a look at the difference between Lowestoft and St Just (for example)

I personally love it. love the dark nights. Feels so cosy. kids have always just adapted ok. Remember dreading it when they were babies but was always ok after a day or two.

Can't farmers jujst get up when they like? Surely they don't get up an hour earlier or later just because the clocks have changed? I would have thought they would know when it gets light and get up accordingly if they have things to do?

Currently, the kids are going to school in light and back in light.

Won't be long before it's dark still for the morning school run and then not long till it's getting dark in the afternoon school run. Fewer hours of daylight up here, north of the wall.

We do benefit from the summer when it gets light around 4.30am and then doesn't get dark till 11.30pm.

It's not about getting up.....

We are now on GMT which is our 'normal time'. The time is adjusted in spring to allow us (inc. farmers) to make the most of daylight hours.

Which is fine for regimented things like schools or offices etc. which tend to start / open around 9am, but as farmers generally are self employed and live where they work, they can get up and start work at whatever time is convenient / necessary for them? Changing the clocks doesn't increase the number of hours of daylight in the day, it just shifts the accepted "start time" around on top, iyswim? Which self employed people who work from home can choose to ignore.

Two week half term holidays? That's unusual isn't it?

Yep, three for Easter and Christmas, 8.5 for summer

Oh my that is hilarious 😂 i mean you can't possibly believe that do you ?

Which is fine for regimented things like schools or offices etc. which tend to start / open around 9am, but as farmers generally are self employed and live where they work, they can get up and start work at whatever time is convenient / necessary for them? Changing the clocks doesn't increase the number of hours of daylight in the day, it just shifts the accepted "start time" around on top, iyswim? Which self employed people who work from home can choose to ignore.

The shift to BST means more daylight in the evenings which is more beneficial than at 3 am....