Stopped on a double yellow

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DS usually walks to school. Today it was chucking it down, so I drove him. Stopped briefly on double yellows outside the school. NOT on the zigzags. No kerb markings or other signs. As far as I know it's fine to stop (not park) on a double yellow, to let passengers out.

Was there 30 seconds. Stopped, DS got out, I left.

As I was pulling back out, man on bike shouts through my window "Do you know it's f*ing double yellows?". I reply "Yes thank you, I was letting a passenger out". He swears at me again and cycles off.

I'm not doing any thing wrong, am I?

Unfortunately it is.

https://www.drivejohnsons.co.uk/learning-centre/driving-dictionary/the-meaning-of-no-waiting-road-sign/#:~:text=does%20it%20mean%3F-,No%20Waiting%20Sign%20%E2%80%93%20what%20does%20it%20mean%3F,quickly%20within%208am%20to%206pm.

"No waiting" means you don't pause at all - even to let passengers out. You must keep your car moving.

It is the same. Please see my previous post.

"No waiting" when it comes to traffic rules means you do not stop and your car must keep moving (obvious exceptions in a breakdown or medical emergency).

Thinking it is selfish is fine, stopping to verbally abuse a person because you think you are selfish is not - so the cyclist was out of order, he can think what he likes, he can't verbally abuse people because of his thoughts.

You stopped right outside a school at the time children were going in and it was raining. Was it legal? Yes. Was it the actions of a responsible driver? No I don't think so.

It might be legal but it's a complete pain in the arse around my kids school when people do this without any consideration for what's going on around them. Causes chaos and gridlock. People just need to be sensible. If you weren't in anyone else's way then just ignore the witterers.

Actually people stopping on double yellows and holding up the traffic often helps people to cross the road ime!

some people must be having a panic if they have to stop on a double yellow at traffic lights or a crossing etc if they think pausing for 10 seconds for any reason is ‘waiting’ and not allowed 🤣

But that’s a single yellow line with a specific upright restriction sign? In which case, yes you have to obey the sign.
Double yellow lines without an upright restriction sign have a different meaning and allow you to pause to drop off passengers, load or unload, or park with a blue badge.

This is wrong. Actually if we are using driving instructors as an unimpeachable source, here is one saying the opposite.

https://www.jennifersdriving.co.uk/no-stopping-no-waiting-signs/

Yes but we're talking about what "no waiting" means in terms of traffic rules.

Whether it's a sign on a single yellow, or the rules for a double yellow, "no waiting" has the same meaning. You don't stop, even to let passengers out quickly.

The police don't agree with you.

"Can I ever stop on double yellow lines" answer on police website - you can only stop to unload (unless there are no loading restrictions) or while passengers get in or out"

And quit the "please see my previous post" nonsense.

Yes I'm sure the driver who did it outside my kids school would have said that. Not sure they were so smug when they saw my child flying through the air as they tried to peer round their car and got hit by a car exceeding the speed limit or when they were interviewed by the police.

Gotta love drivers.

You mean this one?

"Double yellow lines indicate a prohibition of waiting at any time even if there are no upright signs."

Which specifically relates to parking and waiting NOT loading or setting down passengers. It is 100% legal to set down passengers on double yellows where safe to do so.

Try this:
https://www.west-midlands.police.uk/your-options/parking-yellow-lines#

And this:
https://www.dudley.gov.uk/residents/parking-and-roads/roads-highways-and-pavements/road-markings-and-signage/yellow-and-white-lines-on-the-highway/#:~:text=Double%20yellow%20lines%20indicate%20no,Time%20plates%20are%20not%20necessary.

And this:
https://n-somerset.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2020-01/parking%20signs%20and%20road%20markings.pdf

And this:
https://www.knowyourparkingrights.org/news/know-your-parking-and-traffic-signs

And this:
https://www.drivingtesttips.biz/double-yellow-lines.html?amp

It's not nonsense, it just saves me having to type it out again.

I have provided links to the highway code which says the opposite to this unnamed police website.

You can stop on yellows. That's why there are red lines and no stopping zones for place where you absolutely can't stop.

Ignore him. Someone blared their horn at me as I pulled over in a car park with plenty of indication to let my 84 year old mother out at M&S in the pouring rain. There was also room to drive a bus past. He likely was not paying attention, a lot of drivers don't.

I think what this has proved is that people who are not in possession of the facts are willing to make all sorts of incorrect assumptions and throw insults about about regardless. Like the lovely man on the bicycle.

Thanks to those that clarified the highway code and what the police say is allowed.

To those that said my "little darling" can just get wet. Well thanks. It was absolutely pissing it down. I'll tell him that next time. This is the first time he's not walked since starting this school in September.

@Flickersy so what do you do when there’s double yellow lines on a road with traffic lights? Or with a pedestrian crossing?
I hope you don’t have a driving license!

Can we get past the meaning of yellow lines and think about if a parent should show a bit of responsibility outside a school? Oh dear their child might get wet, sod the poor kids trying to cross the road.

Many drivers outside schools tend to be massively inconsiderate though. They'll either dangerously overtake the pulled over car or the car who has pulled over won't look as they start driving again (usually because they've got somewhere very important to go to, which is why they parked like a nob in the first place as they're too important to park where they should).

Waiting at a crossing/ traffic lights is not in any way comparable to pulling over to drop someone off.

I haven't asked you to do anything let alone type. It was west midland police and you are incorrectly interpreting law, which is something that the police are definitely more qualified than you to do.

Obviously it's not ok that he swore at you; but as a cyclist I can tell you that people stopping on double yellows, esp near schools is incredibly problematic. They then tend to open their doors without looking properly, and often swing back into traffic without looking or indicating as well. Cyclists are more vulnerable to these behaviours than other road users and therefore more likely to react emotively. As I say, I'm not condoning his behaviour just offering a possible explanation - even if stopping briefly to let passengers out is allowed, it might still be causing an obstruction or be dangerous or problematic in other ways.

No, it isn't. With the greatest respect, you are wrong.

"The No Waiting sign means you can unload or load passengers"
No Stopping & No Waiting Signs ... - Jennifer's Driving School (jennifersdriving.co.uk)

"A 'no waiting' or 'no parking' sign lets a driver stop temporarily, maybe to let out a passenger or unload some goods, but you can't linger there."
Parking restrictions - everything you need to know | The AA

"No waiting signs allow a motorist to stop – to drop off or pick up a passenger for example. Any longer period of time can be defined as waiting and is therefore a prohibition."
No Stopping and No Waiting Road Signs (drivingtesttips.biz)

"Signs with “no waiting” usually allow loading and picking up or setting down passengers"
No waiting and no stopping symbols - UKparking

"Waiting restrictions indicated by yellow lines apply to the carriageway, pavement and verge. You may stop ... while passengers board or alight."
Road markings - THE HIGHWAY CODE (highwaycodeuk.co.uk)

"No Waiting or Parking means that you CAN stop to drop off or pick up a passenger. But you cannot stay there."
Understanding Stopping, Parking and Loading signs and lines - Spot On Driving School (spot-on-driving.co.uk)

Can we get past the meaning of yellow lines and think about if a parent should show a bit of responsibility outside a school? Oh dear their child might get wet, sod the poor kids trying to cross the road.

Can we think if all drivers and riders should show a bit of responsibility around schools and not shout and swear at people doing perfectly legal and reasonable things?

Are children so fragile nowadays that they can't walk 50 feet in rain, or use an umbrella?

What? That makes no sense. How do you think you've thought of some kind of 'gotcha'?? If you're at lights or a crossing you're not pulled over/ waiting/ stopped. You're just in the flow of traffic. Can't decide if you're that stupid or you think others are that stupid.

The cyclist shouldn't have shouted. Doesn't mean the OP didn't drive like a selfish idiot though.