To think Biden is not fit

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Watching him right now on bbc news live. I can barely hear him, he's completely unintelligible.

People will call me ageist but I believe he is just getting too old for the top job.

I wonder why Kamala Harris, his deputy, isn't considered a viable option to run instead?

After reading comments, I watched a couple of BBC clips from today of Biden. Not sure what you are all on about. Perfectly articulate, simple & straightforward. He has never been a great public speaker, but he has been an excellent president. His knowledge, political nous, has helped the country enormously post-Trump. I see no signs of dementia (Fox? GB news?)
Yes, I wish there was someone younger & credible, but I will have no hesitation voting for him.

Thank you for being the voice of reason on this thread @Moanranger

Biden may be old but he is nothing like the hideous narcissist that is Trump.

There is that.
I fear Biden's going to drop dead any minute live on TV.

100% all of this and also what @MsMD said.

I don’t disagree that he’s too old, but given the hand he was dealt, he’s done an excellent job of fending off the republicans and getting good things done for regular people in the US.

We definitely have better candidates right now, but unfortunately Trump refuses to go away and many people will vote for Biden over Trump.

I would bet good money, that if Trump’s head exploded and we didn’t have to deal with him, Biden would withdraw.

It’s sad but true that he might still be the only option to beat Trump. Unfortunately I don’t think VP Harris would beat him and I hope the democrats don’t ram her down our throats. If Biden doesn’t go, I would like a lively primary.

Very much this. Biden's never been a charismatic public speaker, in part because of his stutter, and he's always been gaffe-prone. So sadly not a great asset in an election campaign. In terms of actual legislative achievements he's been light-years ahead of Obama - not even to mention the criminal disgrace who preceded him in office. Knows the issues, knows everybody and us actually effective at coalition-building.

Not a Brit so I do wonder why so many on here echo MAGA talking points against him - is this something magnified by British tabloids? Somebody this morning even brought Pelosi into the debate. Mate, Pelosi's been fucking amazing in her ability to get things done!

Another term is a tricky one just on age, but if he can help de-escalate the current situation in ME then that’s worth a lot for everyone

Y'all complaining about 'the other team' - you do realise he could not name 'Islamic jihad' or 'hamas' don't you? 'someone else' is what was meant but that risks trivialising to an individual - 'the other team' works better in translation too.

He could have said 'it seems it wasn't Israel'. Or 'it seems the missile was launched from Gaza but misfired'.

But the Holocaust would never happen now because we have social media/internet, which would make it impossible for anything on that scale to be hidden away. Back in the 1930s/40s, all we had to tell world news were the newspapers, which were very limited on what they reported on. No-one really knew what was happening in any other country apart from their own. It would have been so easy back then for this kind of thing to be covered up.

None who were even a quarter of the way as qualified as Biden is - just looking at the list of 20+ candidates who ran in the Democratic primary.

We needed someone who was experienced and connected and knowledgeable with a proven track record - and yes, old and white and male.

Also, running for POTUS is obscenely expensive. The candidate also has to have more money than the majority of the US - even regular senators.

And - it worked. Trump lost and Biden got more votes than, I believe, any POTUS nominee in history. The Democratic party knew what America wanted and needed and Biden was it.

I wish we had built someone electable up in the last 3 years, but I don't think Harris has the public support Biden did. But I also don't think Biden will win re-election which is terrifying for women and minorities now.

As a casual, rather than religious, follower of US politics: please elaborate on what precisely you mean by "MAGA" talking points!

Personally, I am a leftie (in the European sense - in other words: Bernie Sanders would register as "socially liberal centrist" to me; and I will freely admit to being eternally confused by some Americas panicking about his "socialist" views ... clearly, those people have no idea what actual socialist views are!).

Europe, as a whole, has seen an (in my view - see above; I am not at all neutral) gradual, quite worrying shift to the right in the past two decades or so. When I (now 40) left school, something like "genuine socialists vote for Macron - to keep LePen out" would have been quite inconceivable!

That said, as a European leftie I still consider US ones "oh, you mean a centrist!".

Fully on board re. Pelosi being a "get stuff done" machine, though!

I believe many people consider her to be a moron.

We are in a highly sensitive propaganda war with people's who are poorly educated and many brainwashed.

So everyone you disagree with politically is thick and unable to think critically? This right here is why Trump got in and it's why he or someone like him will get in again. It's also why the UK ended up stuck with Brexit. People are unhappy, they don't like your team's policies and beliefs, it doesn't make them poorly educated/brainwashed. It's as it's always been, people disagreeing and prioritising their own beliefs, it's only recently that it's become acceptable to dismiss millions of people as stupid or evil for that disagreement.

You do realise that The Other Team say and whole heartedly believe exactly the same about YOU and Your Team don't you?

Biden being demented/senile/a puppet are core Fox News and MAGA talking points. Really not borne out by his record.

I think part of it is that some of Biden's success has come through not grandstanding. He's let others posture and give big speeches while quietly, unassumingly, getting stuff done.

I can think of two reasons...

I agree. Who'd have thought at the time that it could get even worse? Are these candidates really the best that both parties can do? At the time I laughed along at all the jokes about Bush and then about Trump, but Biden doesn't seem much better.
I never liked Trump but when he calls Biden "Sleepy Joe," you have to admit, he has a point. Remember when that protestor threw a shoe at Bush and he ducked out of the way just in time? I can't imagine Biden reacting that quickly - he looks half asleep!

Are you kidding? He’s a creepy, ill tempered, rude pervert who potentially abused his own daughter. He’s just as bad as trump.

Honestly read that as “AIBU To think Biden is fit” (like you fancy him 😂)

@Sapphire387 its not factually inaccurate. We did do nothing. WW2 was nothing to do with the allies stopping the holocaust.

@renata2485 that was the original plan but she played very badly with the voters. Good old racism and misogyny 🤬.

Her polling numbers are not very good from what I understand.

Admittedly my view is a British one, so I'd be interested on an American perspective, but why are all the candidates elderly, mainly white and extremely rich? Of 330 million people, why are only two old men being talked about as candidates? Neither are good orators, why these two poor performers?
Is it down to money? Can younger, less wealthy politicians just not get the support they need?

He is clearly unwell, I don't understand his plans to run again.