To think teachers should wear body cams

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Rail staff are wearing them, Wetherspoons staff had them on when I went in, it's becoming more common luckily.
I know it isn't a foolproof solution but I think it would stop so many behavioural incidents.
There are signs up in many public facing workplaces saying abuse won't be tolerated, yet it seems teachers/support staff are expected to put up with it 'because they're just kids'.
I used to be a teacher, was threatened by a pupil, he got half a day in internal exclusion and that was it. I had a year 11 pupil make death threats about another teacher in front of me.
I've had another year 11 male pupil walk up to me and grab the mouse out of my hand when I was on the pc.
However have got off lightly compared to many teachers. Still, we're sworn at constantly and verbally abused.
I have left teaching unfortunately due to the behaviour, my new role is much less stressful.
You practically have to bring a weapon into a school to get permanently excluded, schools don't like to permanently exclude due to costs and reputation.
We used to have a very difficult pupil who brought in a fake weapon one day. The headteacher himself said unfortunately it wasn't a real one, otherwise we could have excluded him permanently.
Anyway, I don't know what the solution is, all this restorative conversation stuff doesn't work. Kids don't care about a detention or even a day's exclusion in a lot of cases.

My hospital is doing a trial of nurses wearing them. Not sure I agree with it. But if patients can't behave then what choice do we have.

Yes this is idiotic. A career destroyed and thus many children potentially without a teacher in a profession with a shortage. Accusing teachers like this should mean a lot of intervention and a hard look at the family.,

I don’t think it’s a political football prob for gov it’s that it needs ££££££££ thrown at it and social services and mental health.

Expulsions are extremely cheap. Practically free.

Most the children that have behaviour issues at my school tend to have been diagnosed with one or more special educational need.

They obviously can't be given the normal leadership response and the sen department deal with them if they kick off.

Some of these children are too much for a normal school to handle. However there is no place for them in local SEN schools because these are full with children that have more need.

So expulsion of most are verbally abusive and occasional violent students is not an option because they have SEN.

I don't think we need any more

Posted too soon.

I don't think we need any more cameras in school. We have outside space cameras, canteen ones and corridors.

@Trulywonderful what consequences are the school able to do with regards to these pupils and their verbal and physical abuse of staff/other pupils? Are those subjected to the assaults supported?

There's no reason why the cause of the abusive behaviour needs to even be understood before excluding them. The cause is irrelevant to the impact on the victims, and the exclusion works just as well in protecting the victims in future regardless of the cause of the behaviour.

The victims are supported. SEN student moved classes etc as appropriate depending on the nature and seriousness of the incident. Each case individually handled.

It is nearly impossible for the student with SEN to be excluded. Some children really do not mean to abuse anyone. They just have emotional control problems. So it isn't their fault. They need to be in our much space limited local SEN schools.

The only times we have ever excluded a SEN child is when someone gets seriously hurt. I mean hospital treatment serious. We have manged to get parents to keep their child home voluntarily for a few days or a couple of weeks when minor injury has happened. However if the parents won't agree to this we are on dodgy ground insisting because they can make a complaint about the school.

Saying all that we probably have a much smaller number of abusive teenagers than the average state school. This is despite it being in a London Borough that has some rough areas. I read accounts of what happens in some schools and don't recognise the mass disruption or whole class abuse of a teacher. I am very lucky with my own school.

I don't agree that the cause of the behaviour doesn't need understanding. However you are right that the victims need protection too.

I don't know the answer as too how to address this issue. Other than we need to build more sen schools and pupil referral units. Oh and better training needed for some head teachers about this stuff. Our current head is great at dealing with it. Past headmaster was terrible. He didn't look after his staff if they were a victim and wasn't all that great with the students either. Luckily they schools Pastoral Team and HR are fantastic. So his failings were minimised.

The issue of parental agreement - what can you do if parents don't agree to support the school's decisions. That needs looking at.

I used to work with a boy who would regularly (everyday several times a day) pull hair, bite and hit) and pull hair until it was coming out your head. We were never allowed to tell his parents just that he had had an up and down day. One day he did it to his Mum and she went beserk in front of us crying, swearing etc. I felt like saying this is what we put up with everyday, I had me head bleeding from hair being pulled at the roots. Not even an are you ok from management.

I didn't say that it doesn't need understanding at all. Only that it doesn't need to be understood before excluding them.

Exclusion is a solution - if your goal is to provide a safe and dignified work environment for teachers and students and to protect them from abuse. That's clearly not everyone's primary goal.

Who was preventing you from telling his parents?

What support are the victims given? Is it 'learn to watch Timmy cues and you'll know where you went wrong'?

Can't speak for all schools only my own. However if a sen child is abuser. We have a big pastoral team that includes councillors, classes rearranged, abuser doesn't go outside for break or lunchtimes. They spend it in the sen department. Some students never now come outside for break and lunch. They have a different outside time just before lunch with other sen children and TAs. So victim won't have to worry about outside times and we avoid more incidents hopefully. The sen children quite often have slightly different start and finish to the day times anyway. It makes it easier if parents need to collect them still. So an abusive child can start doing this too. Therefore the victim doesn't have to worry about arriving or leaving meeting other child.

There is more we try do but each case is very different depending on the children involved and what happened. I think because a secondary and massive (1500) we can handle this better than a primary school. They don't have a separate block for sen therapy rooms, large pastoral teams etc. Plus the children are stuck with the same 30 kids for 7 years in most primary schools I know (From reception to year 6). That is way more difficult for everyone especially the other children in the class.

In most schools that I have worked in, no matter how good the SEND team is, this is what it boils down too with the HT

It's funny isn't it how you go to the drs etc and there's massive signs up saying we will not tolerate abuse towards our staff, but schools it's a different matter.
Until more funding is provided we are just going to keep going around in circles.
The school is more than happy to send kids home for wearing the wrong coloured socks (because it was in the agreement they signed with the school accepting the rules and standards)
Yet doesn't matter about the behaviour standards they signed up for.

Completely understand every child is entitled to an education but if your child is abusing teachers etc I think the parents should be forced to home school with intervention to make sure they are keeping up with the curriculum.

Doctors don't need funding to refuse to treat abusive patients. Saying no is free. Similarly schools need zero money to refuse to teach abusive students. They're prevented by ideology, policy and law from doing so.

I doubt those violent and abusive pupils and their parents would agree to the sanctions re wrong sock colour, and they'd probably be supported in not adhering to these rules either.
I don't think socks are a reason to sanction pupils though, but it's a good squirrel isn't it!

parents should be forced to home school with intervention to make sure they are keeping up with the curriculum
What nonsense! How do you ‘force’ feckless parents and why reward them by giving them resources (that don’t exist).