To think teachers should wear body cams

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Rail staff are wearing them, Wetherspoons staff had them on when I went in, it's becoming more common luckily.
I know it isn't a foolproof solution but I think it would stop so many behavioural incidents.
There are signs up in many public facing workplaces saying abuse won't be tolerated, yet it seems teachers/support staff are expected to put up with it 'because they're just kids'.
I used to be a teacher, was threatened by a pupil, he got half a day in internal exclusion and that was it. I had a year 11 pupil make death threats about another teacher in front of me.
I've had another year 11 male pupil walk up to me and grab the mouse out of my hand when I was on the pc.
However have got off lightly compared to many teachers. Still, we're sworn at constantly and verbally abused.
I have left teaching unfortunately due to the behaviour, my new role is much less stressful.
You practically have to bring a weapon into a school to get permanently excluded, schools don't like to permanently exclude due to costs and reputation.
We used to have a very difficult pupil who brought in a fake weapon one day. The headteacher himself said unfortunately it wasn't a real one, otherwise we could have excluded him permanently.
Anyway, I don't know what the solution is, all this restorative conversation stuff doesn't work. Kids don't care about a detention or even a day's exclusion in a lot of cases.

I'm of the belief that your ideology is the main reason why teachers, and students, are dealing with such extraordinary levels of abuse right now. All policy is based on it, and teachers are manipulated by it into tolerating abuse.

It is not the role of the education system to fix these children and it's none of their concern if excluding them makes their behaviour worse. That's society's problem and the government's problem. Teachers are not psychologists, therapists, prison guards or social workers.

Teachers are not required to be sacrificial lambs for society as a whole, the prison system, future generations or anything else. This is not their problem to solve. The reason they're being used to 'solve' it is because they're overwhelmingly female, agreeable, conscientious and left-leaning, making them one of the easiest demographics to manipulate into accepting abuse in the name of compassion.

So yet again, who cares about everyone else affected or lives fucked over by fake accusations and lies, they should be pleased they're seen as 'safe' by these children?

Oh bloody hell, are we still on the 'if you don't let them get away with being violent and aggressive, when they escalate their behaviours it's STILL the teachers fault'?!

@Pollyputhekettleon this is more wishing and should ing. And schools ARE funded by and for society and the government- they are the perfect place to offer help to children in trouble!

I completely agree that the huge stress currently on teachers isn't sustainable and that's why burnout and leaving the profession is so prevalent. But I think more time and support for teachers would fix this not putting any child who acts up once in a sun bin school (who would teach there?)

I also disagree about behaviour policy agreeing with me - most are of the traffic light warning shaming and blaming approach that doenst teach anything and ruins adult- child relationships and trust.

Honestly - any teachers reading this if you consistently follow the very few and simple key points in my first or second post I promise your class will change overnight. Ask 'are you ok there' before you correct behaviour too. Many will be too stubborn or burnt out to really try these things but if you can commit to doing them your working life will transform and so will your students grades (assuming you care about all students grades and not just the perfectly well behaved ones!)

Ask any former 'naughty kid' who they behaved for - it's the teacher who talked to them like a human being and remembered key details about them and their life.

@MyGooseisTotallyLoose no not at all it's hugely stressful for the adult. Another argument for cctv and not being alone with students ever unless with a window on the door, to protect staff.

I was replying to a pp who implies that a student should be punished and excluded for doing this - schools would massively breach their duty of care if they did this without involving social services and exploring things further

@Pollyputhekettleon if it's not a schools problem to help traumatized children who struggle to behave, whose job is it?

Are you or have you ever been a teacher @Unexpectedlysinglemum?
So no correction of inappropriate behaviour?
Is there a rule that social services won't investigate if pupil is excluded?
If the behaviours meets exclusion criteria they should be.

Their parents, and if not appropriate specialised services. Schools are there to TEACH maths, English. French, history and so on ad infinitum, ALL children matter and deserve an education, something all the bleeding hearts forget about in their crusade against the schools.

schools ARE funded by and for society and the government- they are the perfect place to offer help to children in trouble

No, they are not the perfect place to help to troubled children.

Teachers are not councillors or psychotherapists and nor should they be expected to be. They can spot and refer disturbing behaviour but they must never be expected to solve it.

The children we are talking about are not ready to learn. They need a different professional intervention. They need to be out of a school environment until they are able to cope with the pressures of it and ready to learn.

Firstly I absolutely don't accept that these children are all 'traumatized' and 'struggling to behave'. You do know that not everyone accepts that, right?

Schools are funded to teach. Just to teach. Not to 'help children in trouble'.

Discipline policies do implement your ideology, by making exclusions extremely difficult and by forcing schools to take pupils excluded by other schools. The latter is just textbook insanity.

Describing what's going on here as 'naughty kids' who just need someone to ask if they're ok is minimizing. And that's as politely as I can put it.

Yes.

I said ask are you on before correcting behaviour. Not no correcting of behavior. Just like you'd expect your boss to before telling you off.

And involving the police would be seen as a hostile move.

@OldChinaJug surely we're past the point of "hostile move" if something has happened that warrants police involvement.

So you're currently a teacher working in an environment where you could be threatened and physically assaulted on Monday and be expected to teach and be apologetic to those that assaulted you on Tuesday?

Pollyputhekettleon

The problem is that it isn't just about changing laws.
Its about changing attitudes first.
And by that I don't mean that attitude of teachers,
But of all of those that run the schools, heads, deputies, SLT.
Then the politicians that refuse to see that there is an issue because they would have to stop treating education like a political football.
and then there is the parents and media.

Education has been destroyed and needs rebuilding from the ground up.

Social services, Pupil Referral Units etc.

Victims of abuse should not be forced to stay in the vicinity of their abuser, let alone continue to have to be kind to them. It doesn't matter who the abuser is, or what their reasons are.

When I was pregnant one student told me he hoped my baby would die after a violent outburst from him. He remained in school, is now in prison. Presumably because he continued his abuse because there was little consequence to his actions as a teenager.

Absolutely. The current ideology produces criminals.

Agreed, although I suspect most teachers are also indoctrinated to some degree or other with the prevailing ideology. As a related aside, these SLTs seem to have incredible power over teachers and that also needs to end.

We can. Do you have any idea what the waiting times are like though? It's insane.

I think these days it would be more beneficial for the students to wear them.

That way, any mistreatment from either fellow students or teachers can be proven, shown to parents and immediately dealt with.

And what about the abuse to the teachers? Does that not matter?

Everyone should be allowed to wear them, yes. Children and teenagers suffer from their abusive fellow inmates too. Showing them to the parents won't help much though. The abuse that's not due solely to special needs is generally a case of the children not having picked it off the trees. Their parents are the same/don't care/have no problem with abuse/won't believe it/excuse it, minimize, deny, justify etc. Teachers, including headteachers, need to take back their right to protect themselves and their students.

Meeting up with a teacher friend today and this thread will be good for discussion, especially the part of how great it is to have false career ruining accusations as it means 'yay, you're trusted!'

Sure it gives you an opportunity to save the day! You all should appreciate your privilege.