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What does fairness look like to you in this scenario?

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JonahAndTheMinnow · 16/10/2023 19:34

Parent 1 and parent 2 have been married for a long time and have four adult children. They’ve recently sold an asset and want to share £300k amongst their children.

All children are aged between 35 and 48.

Child A - Eldest child. Married with grown-up children who live independently. Mortgage cleared recently. Household income isn’t very high and they don’t have much of a pension pot so will likely rely on state pension and likely work to full retirement age.

Child B - Was a very young single parent. Their child is now grown up and B has a partner. They live together in B’s house (bought by B’s parents) and B has no mortgage. B is a very low earner with no personal pension and will rely on state pension and work until full retirement age. Their job is tough and very physically demanding and working to 65+ will be a challenge.

Child C - Has two children (teens) in full time education, one with severe physical disabilities who will never live independently. C can’t work due to caring needs. Her husband works and he has a pension which should see them both live a modest but comfortable retirement. Child is in receipt of disability benefits. C and her husband have about 4 years left on their mortgage. Monthly payment is low on a house worth over £500k, thanks to generous gifts from parents, but they’ll never be able to downsize as it’s custom built to meet needs of disabled child. They have a lot of additional costs linked to their child- physio, need for a vehicle that can meet their needs rather than a cheap run-around etc.

Child D - Youngest child. Vey high earner married to a very high earner. No children. High mortgage costs on a large home but will clear in next five years. Own several investment properties and an holiday home outright. D and spouse will retire early with significant pensions. Current unmortgaged assets valued in the millions and had an inheritance from spouse’s parents of £600k in 2020.

Parent 1 wants to split the money between children A, B, and C so they’ll each have £100k. 1 thinks they need the money more than D and it’s a life changing opportunity for them whereas it’s not for D. 1 thinks that treating people fairly doesn’t always mean treating people equally and circumstances have to be taken into account.

Parent 2 wants to split the money equally between all 4 giving them £75k each. 2 believes that all children in the family should be treated equally, regardless of their current position.

What do you think?

OP posts:
Redwinestillfine · 16/10/2023 22:33

Equally or nothing. It will cause too many problems otherwise and life is too short.

PlasticineKing · 16/10/2023 22:34

My mum wanted to give Me and my brother money last year. I got her to give him 75% of the total. It has benefitted him far more and I know he’s grateful. What would child D say?

momtoboys · 16/10/2023 22:35

What an odd* *question. It should be split evenly between all of the children.

steppemum · 16/10/2023 22:35

MsRosley · 16/10/2023 22:10

I think this is a wise compromise.

please don't divide between granchildren.

That penalises child D for not having any kids.

And it really isn't fair.

I agree with setting up trust fund for disabled child BUT and this is key, I would talk to kids about my plan to do that and why.

Bluegreenseasoffoam · 16/10/2023 22:36

Daisy4569 · 16/10/2023 19:38

Parent 2 definitely. If D chooses to offer their share to the others (without any prompting or encouragement!) that’s fair enough but I don’t think it should be down to circumstances. Who knows what the future holds for any of them.

Exactly this.

why steal the pleasure from child D of making his own decision o be generous.

Bluegreenseasoffoam · 16/10/2023 22:37

It’s totally vile to disinherit child D

Iwasafool · 16/10/2023 22:37

Parents split the money, each have £150k and do what they like with it.

Ilovelifeverymuch · 16/10/2023 22:40

@JonahAndTheMinnow I'm in the option 1 camp because I would expect D would be compassionate and understanding that the other siblings need it more, but you know your children and how D would react.

I would speak to them about it and see what they think, and if it will cause issues then go with option 2.

One thing I implore you is to please please please let your kids know what your decide. I don't like when parents take the cowardly way out, make their will and don't inform the kids so it causes issues later after parent has left. I would rather you faced up to it now, explain your reasoning rather than let them deal with it later.

willingtolearn · 16/10/2023 22:41

Parent 2, anything else will cause deep resentment

Ilovelifeverymuch · 16/10/2023 22:42

Bluegreenseasoffoam · 16/10/2023 22:37

It’s totally vile to disinherit child D

C'mon cut it out, how is D being disinherited????

This is a mature conversation which if D was a compassionate person who loves her siblings will understand. Stop taking it to the extreme.

If I was D, have an expensive house that I will pay off in 5 years, houses abroad, houses being rented etc I would be happy to help my siblings who are not doing as I am. My love for my parents is not tied to inheritance. If there are other issues that's different.

wildwestpioneer · 16/10/2023 22:42

Equal split between all DC, however if one child has already been given an amount, that should be removed from that child and split between the other 3

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 16/10/2023 22:46

Why do posters keep saying D who still has a mortgage and hasn't been helped by parents is better off than B and C who've been bought property and have no mortgage they haven't had to do anything to earn?

babyproblems · 16/10/2023 22:47

Agree parent 2 is right.
the different scenarios of life are irrelevant and if you don’t split it equally you’re being very unfair and going to cause huge friction between the siblings. It’s not nice. Strongly advise you to split equally.
you don’t know what life will hold. The one you give less to might find themselves terminally ill, another divorced, etc etc. It has to be the same amount for each.
im a bit shocked you’re considering otherwise!!!

sweetdreamstenasee · 16/10/2023 22:48

parent 2 is right

Blogswife · 16/10/2023 22:49

Give each child £75k. They seem to have all done very well from you in one way or another & you’ll tie yourselves in knots trying to resolve this any other way.
They can hardly complain . Id be thrilled if my parents had this dilemma !

SacAMain · 16/10/2023 22:50

Ilovelifeverymuch · 16/10/2023 22:28

I'm sorry but as a parent you have insight into your children's lives and from what OP has stated D has or a lot better than the others so not sure what you mean by "who are you decide they don't need it" I'm sure everyone who reads their situation can see that the others need it more, its not rocket science.

Working their arse off doesn't matter, what matters is D is financially well off and doesn't need while it would go a long way to help the others simple. I worked my arse off to get to where I am today, that doesn't give me the right to begrudge my siblings when I know they really need it. Frankly it's a very selfish and grabby attitude to get upset and conclude your parents don't love you because they have your sibling who needs it a lot more than you money. Again if it's a case of parents favoring one child that's different but that's not the case from what OP has written.

How the hell is it punishment? I guess it will be punishment if your love and acceptance of your parent is tied to inheritance.

Maybe this will help you understand what I am saying. Equity v Equality

We claim we should be practicing this in society but somehow not in the family is when it comes to inheritance.

Edited

Indeed you have insights, and having kids given the same childhood/ background and opportunity, it's awful to neglect one because they've "done well".

The equity vs equality really does not apply between siblings.

Giving more to one child is literally favoring that child. You can't blame children to notice their siblings gets more help, one even got a house no less, will keep having more help.

Parents playing favourite that way are awful.

1FootInTheRave · 16/10/2023 22:53

Split it equally.

easylikeasundaymorn · 16/10/2023 22:53

Hooplahooping · 16/10/2023 21:39

Divide it up according to descendents. That’s what my grandparents did. With your Example 300k - 4 children + 5 grandchildren = 9 shares of 33.3k
A + 2 children = 99k
B + 1 = 66k
C + 2 = 99k
D solo = 33k

I think it’s either got to go that way or totally equal. Otherwise all the other variables are so subjective.

I think this is the nastiest and most unfair suggestion of all.
what if d doesn't have kids because they are infertile? or the others wanted more but couldn't for the same or any other reason? their siblings get extra money to add salt to the wound.
what if one of them has another kid after the money has been paid out? all the other grandkids get 33k each but the last one gets nothing because they were born six months too late?
ridiculous!

SoShallINever · 16/10/2023 22:53

Parent 1 is an idiot.

SacAMain · 16/10/2023 22:54

Ilovelifeverymuch · 16/10/2023 22:42

C'mon cut it out, how is D being disinherited????

This is a mature conversation which if D was a compassionate person who loves her siblings will understand. Stop taking it to the extreme.

If I was D, have an expensive house that I will pay off in 5 years, houses abroad, houses being rented etc I would be happy to help my siblings who are not doing as I am. My love for my parents is not tied to inheritance. If there are other issues that's different.

why does it have to be D who must be the only compassionate person who loves their siblings in this story?

You'd expect A, B and C to be just as compassionate and loving, and be indignant about getting more than their sibling and refusing not to share the money equally.

You could even argue that normal older siblings tend to be protective of the youngest one, and more generous towards them.

To keep things clear, simple and fair, divide equally, house included. Don't let the older ones spoil the youngest, and don't let the youngest sacrifice his share.

TheBeef · 16/10/2023 22:55

£75k each

caringcarer · 16/10/2023 22:56

Parent 2 is right. Always treat DC equally. If a parent leaves them out they will feel deep hurt and feel unloved.

RedHelenB · 16/10/2023 22:56

BibbleandSqwauk · 16/10/2023 19:37

I'd say talk to child D and explain your reservations. I'd like to think in those circumstances I'd want to give my share to my needier siblings. Id be wary of child B's situation and want to make sure the money was legally protected from her low earning partner should they split.

This. I'd like to think my kids woukd want most venefit to go to the sibling that needed it most.

JustWhatWeDontNeed · 16/10/2023 22:57

Parent 2 is correct. I don't agree with punishing your children for being successful. If child D doesn't want or need it, they can decide that for themselves.

Ilovelifeverymuch · 16/10/2023 22:57

MyGooseisTotallyLoose · 16/10/2023 22:46

Why do posters keep saying D who still has a mortgage and hasn't been helped by parents is better off than B and C who've been bought property and have no mortgage they haven't had to do anything to earn?

Because D has a more expensive house which he or she will pay off in 5 years due to higher income, plus a holiday house abroad plus rental property. Yes D is way way way better off than the others.

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