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To want to understand and get something to be done about the school toilet issue.

370 replies

Rasell · 12/10/2023 12:39

Until a couple of days ago I was blissfully unaware of the fact that lots of children are unable to go to the toilet all day at school on a daily basis, because lots of schools countrywide lock their toilets during lesson time and then are either too understaffed to open them or there are just too many children trying to use them, there's not enough time to eat and queue up for the toilet so these children are forced to hold it in all day, every day.
This seems to be because of appalling antisocial behaviour, destroying the facilities, bullying and worse but I'm not clear as to whether that's always the reason why.
I very much sympathise with schools having to deal with this and am horrified by the utter lack of values, respect, care, integrity and common decency that some people are raising their children to have. I don't know how to solve that problem but it definitely can't be blamed on schools or government, in my opinion; if you have children, raise them to be decent human beings. That's your job.
Denying children the right to use the toilet is unacceptable, though.
No-one can expect older children to just swan off at any given moment for a wee when they're busy doing a task in a lesson; if I need the loo while I'm busy at work I wait until I finish it then I go. However, if I've got my period and am leaking, or suddenly get a tummy ache or something, then I go immediately. Why should that be different at school? Why should they sit there in a pool of blood or desperately trying to hold their poo? How can they focus or work to their best ability?
This feels like pensioners having to choose between heating their homes or eating, or children coming to school without having breakfast and not being able to concentrate. We can't allow our children to have to choose whether they eat or go to the toilet, or sit in a classroom unable to follow the teacher because they're worried they're going to wet themselves. Boys weeing in bushes and girls holding it in all day...this is madness!!
The thread I was following was a mix of people's experiences from either side of the argument and rants. I really want to understand what's going on because I think we need to do something about it. I'm no-one and don't even have any children going through this but I'm so shocked by it that I want to get some facts and start a petition, I don't know, do something! Please help with useful information and comments. Thank you!

To want to understand and get something to be done about the school toilet issue.
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MargotBamborough · 12/10/2023 21:54

Denying children access to toilets isn't safe.

MargotBamborough · 12/10/2023 21:55

noblegiraffe · 12/10/2023 21:44

@CoastersforTea if your child has a medical condition which requires unrestricted access to the toilet you just ask the school for a toilet pass and they can use it to go in lessons.

Every child requires unrestricted access to toilets.

noblegiraffe · 12/10/2023 22:01

MargotBamborough · 12/10/2023 21:54

Denying children access to toilets isn't safe.

You've said you're not prepared to do anything about it so you might as well leave the thread?

MargotBamborough · 12/10/2023 22:02

noblegiraffe · 12/10/2023 22:01

You've said you're not prepared to do anything about it so you might as well leave the thread?

What do you suggest I do about it?

crumblingschools · 12/10/2023 22:03

So once all the toilets are vandalised due to unrestricted access, what happens?

Purplebunnie · 12/10/2023 22:03

MargotBamborough · 12/10/2023 22:02

What do you suggest I do about it?

You could volunteer to be toilet monitor at your local secondary

DanglingMod · 12/10/2023 22:03

But when we allow unlimited access to the toilets, there aren't any toilets left to use!!!! They are all broken!!! How can you not read this and comprehend it?

noblegiraffe · 12/10/2023 22:05

MargotBamborough · 12/10/2023 22:02

What do you suggest I do about it?

Go and plan a parents' march on London. Off you pop.

noblegiraffe · 12/10/2023 22:05

DanglingMod · 12/10/2023 22:03

But when we allow unlimited access to the toilets, there aren't any toilets left to use!!!! They are all broken!!! How can you not read this and comprehend it?

They think that schools just just sack teachers in order to pay for new toilets every time.

MargotBamborough · 12/10/2023 22:11

Purplebunnie · 12/10/2023 22:03

You could volunteer to be toilet monitor at your local secondary

My local secondary school is in France, where they don't appear to be experiencing the same problem.

DanglingMod · 12/10/2023 22:11

I mean, it's one idea. No staff left by Christmas but 🤷🏼‍♂️

MargotBamborough · 12/10/2023 22:12

noblegiraffe · 12/10/2023 22:05

They think that schools just just sack teachers in order to pay for new toilets every time.

If there are no working toilets and no money to pay to fix them then your building cannot be legally occupied and you have to temporarily close the school.

What good does it do to mask the problem?

crumblingschools · 12/10/2023 22:12

@MargotBamborough maybe the school has more funding

GrassWillBeGreener · 12/10/2023 22:13

On the subject of "what are you allowed to strike about" - more than 20 years ago I attended a local BMA meeting. I had a number of concerns but the answer to all the things I was worried about / thought needed changing was "we're not allowed to strike about that". It's really quite restricted.

And the government refusing to enter talks now that strikes have happened, is missing the point so spectacularly. Strikes, both in education and the NHS, have been officially about pay - but if the government would actually enter proper talks they might discover that there are a whole host of things that could be done alongside some pay improvements that would reset willingness to go above and beyond in these jobs.

Purplebunnie · 12/10/2023 22:13

MargotBamborough · 12/10/2023 22:11

My local secondary school is in France, where they don't appear to be experiencing the same problem.

So basically you're on here shit stirring - pun intended

MargotBamborough · 12/10/2023 22:14

Purplebunnie · 12/10/2023 22:13

So basically you're on here shit stirring - pun intended

I'm on here because I'm a parent and this is a parenting forum.

This is a thread about children's human rights being breached.

crumblingschools · 12/10/2023 22:16

@MargotBamborough maybe you could research how your local school manages behaviour

MargotBamborough · 12/10/2023 22:19

crumblingschools · 12/10/2023 22:16

@MargotBamborough maybe you could research how your local school manages behaviour

You've made it very clear that my opinions as a non-teacher are irrelevant.

Why don't you come over here and see how they manage behaviour, and then report back to your school in the UK?

I'll even put you up for the night. 😉

flufferknutter · 12/10/2023 22:20

French schools can still punish children who step out of line? That doesn't happen in this country. Kids who vandalise things here don't get into any trouble. They just laugh and carry on.

MargotBamborough · 12/10/2023 22:22

flufferknutter · 12/10/2023 22:20

French schools can still punish children who step out of line? That doesn't happen in this country. Kids who vandalise things here don't get into any trouble. They just laugh and carry on.

Well I think this is the root of the problem, isn't it?

What the UK needs is more sin bins to accommodate pupils who have been expelled, and schools need proper powers to get rid of kids who misbehave to the point where they have to close toilets.

flufferknutter · 12/10/2023 22:22

And perhaps French parents still parent their children. It's unfashionable here to actively parent and impose discipline. Children are treated like prize poodles and mollycoddled. Any poor behaviour is met with a head tilt and a trip to McDonald's to soothe the poor baby's shattered nerves at being expected to behave for 20 minutes.

flufferknutter · 12/10/2023 22:24

I live in a village which is over run by feral louts so I know how these things work.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 12/10/2023 22:24

French schools can still punish children who step out of line? That doesn't happen in this country. Kids who vandalise things here don't get into any trouble.

What do you mean by 'punish' though? What are the punishments that French schools can give which British schools can't?

flufferknutter · 12/10/2023 22:25

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 12/10/2023 22:24

French schools can still punish children who step out of line? That doesn't happen in this country. Kids who vandalise things here don't get into any trouble.

What do you mean by 'punish' though? What are the punishments that French schools can give which British schools can't?

I don't know. I have heard that they do impose strict discipline though.

crumblingschools · 12/10/2023 22:31

Just googling discipline in French schools, it appears teachers grabbing children and placing them in a corner can happen. Can just see parents accepting that here!