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To wonder how Liz Truss has the audacity to push herself back into the spotlight again?

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 02/10/2023 13:05

Just that, really. The woman must have the hide of a rhino. And/or be completely and utterly devoid of any self awareness.

I find it strangely fascinating!

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bellac11 · 03/10/2023 07:53

She must have some sort of disorder, she doesnt seem to think normally or rationally.

User98866 · 03/10/2023 08:02

Princessandthepea0 · 02/10/2023 21:21

The thing is though - she has said what even the chancellor’s own reports have told him and the ONS. We have a huge tax burden now and it’s still not enough. The huge reliance on higher earners (a very small group) is actively damaging tax take, as they are leaving and changing behaviour. Hunt knows this, it’s in a report he commissioned. Why is it all so quiet? Why the active take down when actually the point she is crudely trying to make is backed up by fiscal reports. It’s all so odd.

As the ONS released atrocious data this year in regards to tax take, state dependency and deficit - she has a point to some ends. Problem is, people don’t want to hear it. Where is the plan from anyone from any party? That’s what I want to know because more tax isn’t working. It’s a fucking fiscal disaster.

The problem in the U.K. is that we are all paying to line the pockets of shareholders while all public services crumble. Take the ‘profits’ back and invest them in this country. Let’s stop public money walking off in the back pocket of a (usually foreign) shareholder. The U.K. has been a cash cow for long enough.

topnoddy · 03/10/2023 08:04

bellac11 · 03/10/2023 07:53

She must have some sort of disorder, she doesnt seem to think normally or rationally.

Just like Boris then !

Or most politicians come to that

Thepeopleversuswork · 03/10/2023 08:07

I think part of the answer to your question OP is that she is backed by a certain tendency on the right wing of the Tory party and the Tory media (Telegraph in particular) who think she was right and we need to go further down the road of cutting taxes in pursuit of "growth".

I found it very telling that Isabel Oakeshott, the darling of the Tory right (and very enmeshed in the so-called "Bad Boys of Brexit" cabal) wrote a sketch about her conference speech. That was almost certainly a deliberate tactic by the Telegraph headbangers to position her as set for a second coming in politics.

I don't think anyone sensible buys any of this but I do think there's a deliberate campaign to rehabilitate her as the champion of the Tory right.

I personally find her incredibly sinister even by the standards of the current Tory party but I'm not the target demographic....

SnapdragonToadflax · 03/10/2023 08:19

emmylousings · 02/10/2023 21:58

I study politics closely and always have, so I don't say this lightly, but I think some of the current tory cabinet are 'not the full quid' as we say round here.
They do seem quite delusional - the stuff they are coming out with gets stranger every day. Today's example was one saying they needed to clamp down on councils 'proposing' 15 minute cities, even though they accepted none have actually done that, but "they could". It was just so bizzare. It's kind of funny but also a bit scary.

They're trying to latch on to the American right-wing model of Fox News, Trump etc, but they're really quite shit at politics so it comes across as if they're just a bit mad and chaotic.

They're probably also being funded by businesses who make certain requests, but there are so many of them at odds with each other that they can't keep up with what they're meant to be promising.

They are the very worst of the Tories. David Cameron started it by running scared of Farage, who should have been ignored like the pompous little toad he is. Now the Tory party is closer to UKIP than the Thatcher version of the party. Unfortunately they're funded by/control the vast majority of the UK media, so those who don't pay much attention to politics aren't aware of what's happened.

FrancescaContini · 03/10/2023 08:23

I’m still wondering what she meant in her speech yesterday about Britain needing to “build things and make things”. She needed to be a little more, erm, specific here.

We’re all laughing in our house at her request to the conference delegates to “unleash your inner Conservative”. Surely this is going to launch a thousand memes…

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 03/10/2023 08:26

FrancescaContini · 03/10/2023 08:23

I’m still wondering what she meant in her speech yesterday about Britain needing to “build things and make things”. She needed to be a little more, erm, specific here.

We’re all laughing in our house at her request to the conference delegates to “unleash your inner Conservative”. Surely this is going to launch a thousand memes…

I'm sure the opposition will make the most of "unleash your inner conservative". She couldn't be more cringeworthy if she tried!

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FrancescaContini · 03/10/2023 08:27

No. I too am genuinely fascinated by her rhino hide. Where can I get one?!

MarkWithaC · 03/10/2023 08:32

Libertass · 02/10/2023 19:31

Politicians who seem to have no principles, who stand for nothing and who will apparently say anything to get elected get criticised. And rightly so, with Keir Starmer being a prime example.
Then along comes Truss who, whether you agree with her or not, is a genuine radical who actually wants to change the way the country is run and challenge the mainstream consensus. She doesn’t try to water down her views, is prepared to stand by what she believes in even if it costs her her job. And she still gets criticised for refusing to stop saying what she really thinks.

So what do we want from our politicians?

Personally, I don't want anyone's 'views' or beliefs when they're standing for or in public office. I want politicians who make policy based on evidence and consensus. I'm sick to death of party politics and tribalism.

MarkWithaC · 03/10/2023 08:33

ChocolateCinderToffee · 02/10/2023 19:22

I'm assuming she's a stalking horse for Johnson's return.

Are her supporters Johnson's though? Isn't she too barking mad even for him/them?

newnamethanks · 03/10/2023 08:34

If she's the best they've got to front this up then just imagine having her supporters anywhere near Number 10. Bloody hell.

megletthesecond · 03/10/2023 08:35

She's a thick empty shell who will say anything for anyone with money.

Graciebobcat · 03/10/2023 09:04

Income tax rises are one thing that would properly control inflation, far better than raising interest rates, and cost most people a few quid across the board each month not an extra £300 for some and zero for others, depending on when you bought your house or if you have one at all (renters also badly affected when rent goes up after Landlord's mortgage goes up).

Yet tax rises are the great bête noir of politics apparently and no-one dares to do it, though causing absolute turmoil and discord in the financial markets and putting hundreds of quid on people's mortgages in one fell swoop or emptying our wallets and giving it to Shell/the Saudis is ok apparently.

Though to their credit the Tories have raised corporation tax.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 03/10/2023 17:03

Build - distrust, ignorance, division
Make - up this shit as we go along / a fucking mess of the country / lots more money for us and our friends

TooBigForMyBoots · 03/10/2023 17:15

emmylousings · 02/10/2023 21:58

I study politics closely and always have, so I don't say this lightly, but I think some of the current tory cabinet are 'not the full quid' as we say round here.
They do seem quite delusional - the stuff they are coming out with gets stranger every day. Today's example was one saying they needed to clamp down on councils 'proposing' 15 minute cities, even though they accepted none have actually done that, but "they could". It was just so bizzare. It's kind of funny but also a bit scary.

There's more brains in a Halloween mask.

MintJulia · 03/10/2023 17:22

She's bizarre. She may have a few supporters among right wing MPs but the constituency parties wanted nothing to do with her.

Most of them wouldn't entertain her for a nano-second.

The fact that she's even at the Tory conference makes it a bit of a freak show. Which is a shame because other people will have put in a lot of effort.

BigMandsTattooPortfolio · 03/10/2023 17:40

Some tories have been veering in a Trumpward direction for some time now, which explains their increasing detachment from reality. Mad Liz is our version of MTG, it seems.

Flapjacker48 · 03/10/2023 17:57

She is a deluded airhead. Has allegedly many "interesting" relationships with colleagues and subordinates too.

Princessandthepea0 · 03/10/2023 21:46

Graciebobcat · 03/10/2023 09:04

Income tax rises are one thing that would properly control inflation, far better than raising interest rates, and cost most people a few quid across the board each month not an extra £300 for some and zero for others, depending on when you bought your house or if you have one at all (renters also badly affected when rent goes up after Landlord's mortgage goes up).

Yet tax rises are the great bête noir of politics apparently and no-one dares to do it, though causing absolute turmoil and discord in the financial markets and putting hundreds of quid on people's mortgages in one fell swoop or emptying our wallets and giving it to Shell/the Saudis is ok apparently.

Though to their credit the Tories have raised corporation tax.

That’s hilarious. The Tories are the biggest PAYE tax instigators on record. That burden is causing huge harm as indicated by the chancellor’s own reports. The highest payers pay some of the highest marginals in the world….everyone else doesn’t.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 03/10/2023 22:51

They are so desperate they are trying the Trump line. Chuck out endless shit and see what takes with the popular vote.

Nat6999 · 03/10/2023 23:31

She is as thick as mince. I've listened to The Rest is Politics Leading interview with Theresa May tonight & she is a mile lion times better than any of the last three Prime Ministers, she admitted she regrets things she did like the vans with Go Home. Had Brexit not been happening, she would have been a hundred times better than any of them & the country wouldn't be in half the mess it is.

minou123 · 04/10/2023 00:24

Maybe she's come back to tell us she is opening up more new pork markets?

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