Page 3 | To wonder how Liz Truss has the audacity to push herself back into the spotlight again?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 2023-10-02T12:05:25+00:00

Just that, really. The woman must have the hide of a rhino. And/or be completely and utterly devoid of any self awareness. I find it strangely fascinating!

YourWinter · 02/10/2023 22:14

Yep, absolute narcissist, she’s just vile. But they can implode whether or not she helps them!

Dorisbonson · 02/10/2023 22:24

heldinadream · 02/10/2023 19:36

They let FARAGE in too! He's not even a bloody paid-up Tory! The whole thing is insane.
Are they on glue?????

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They let in certain quotas of other political parties. Not really sure why.

localnotail · 02/10/2023 22:32

Weird, deluded, and completely, utterly bonkers - someone who believes BoE is part of an anti-capitalist conspiracy group and continues to insist that her disastrous budget would have worked if it wasn't for the "global left" - whatever fuck that is...she should be banned from politics for life and potentially sectioned as she clearly is a danger to people.

Dorisbonson · 02/10/2023 22:41

Libertass · 02/10/2023 19:31

Politicians who seem to have no principles, who stand for nothing and who will apparently say anything to get elected get criticised. And rightly so, with Keir Starmer being a prime example.
Then along comes Truss who, whether you agree with her or not, is a genuine radical who actually wants to change the way the country is run and challenge the mainstream consensus. She doesn’t try to water down her views, is prepared to stand by what she believes in even if it costs her her job. And she still gets criticised for refusing to stop saying what she really thinks.

So what do we want from our politicians?

I have voted Conservative and at one point was a party member. I spent an hour talking to her almost one to one after Brexit. She spoke with absolute conviction on topics where she had zero knowledge of facts and refused to accept statistics and evidence on those topics in a sector where I had worked for several years. She opened her mouth without thinking and appeared to me to be someone who could not be trusted with power of any kind. She told me she understood what "business wanted" in that sector - when the reality is she had no comprehension at all. She had no idea of her own weaknesses and no self doubt.

I knew several civil servants who later worked with her well. She had "strange" relationships with several of her staff, never read her briefings and was obsessed with her personal image.

Her trade deals were trashed by the National Audit Office after UK businesses criticism of them eg UK business gets absolutely stuffed and rolled over in the deals she signed and was so proud of signing so quickly.

Her lazy attitude toward briefings led to her being an international joke as foreign secretary when she ignored the advice of officials in Russia. She is a dangerous lose cannon.

The fact she was ever leader of the Conservative party is enough for me to not vote for them for a very very long time. The negative impact she has had on this country goes way beyond the cost of mortgages and will be felt for decades in she shitty trade deals she committed us too.

SingingNettles · 03/10/2023 02:11

I don’t feel that enough is made of the fact that she literally cosplayed as Margret Thatcher in the leadership debates.

Serious political candidates shouldn’t be playing dress-up in a leadership contest. It was very weird, childlike and creepy (and yet it somehow worked for her?)

Gwendimarco · 03/10/2023 03:47

Remember her barmy Foucoult article as well.

mathanxiety · 03/10/2023 04:43

Libertass · 02/10/2023 19:31

Politicians who seem to have no principles, who stand for nothing and who will apparently say anything to get elected get criticised. And rightly so, with Keir Starmer being a prime example.
Then along comes Truss who, whether you agree with her or not, is a genuine radical who actually wants to change the way the country is run and challenge the mainstream consensus. She doesn’t try to water down her views, is prepared to stand by what she believes in even if it costs her her job. And she still gets criticised for refusing to stop saying what she really thinks.

So what do we want from our politicians?

You've set up a very obvious straw man there.

She cost millions of people their future and their children's future. It's a very good thing she lost her job before she finished the job she set for herself and completely wrecked the economy.

As long as she continues to indulge her massive ego by peddling her views to anyone who will pay for them and print them, she is risking the financial stability of the UK.

She is incredibly dangerous. There is nothing positive about a 'genuine radical'.

mathanxiety · 03/10/2023 04:47

@Dorisbonson a very interesting perspective.

mathanxiety · 03/10/2023 04:49

... I'd sum her up as grotesquely unqualified for every office she has held and every office she may yet hold.

Moldywarpedalright · 03/10/2023 05:08

TheOutlaws · 02/10/2023 19:31

The Conservative Party is now an umbrella organisation for all kinds of cranks and criminals. There’s a Grand Canyon between some of the current swivel-eyed lunatics and the One Nation Tories. It’s why Labour and the Lib Dems desperately need to recognise that they’re currently splitting the centre-left and should come to an arrangement before we all get sucked down the plug hole.

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^^ Totally this!

HappiestSleeping · 03/10/2023 05:18

Libertass · 02/10/2023 19:31

Politicians who seem to have no principles, who stand for nothing and who will apparently say anything to get elected get criticised. And rightly so, with Keir Starmer being a prime example.
Then along comes Truss who, whether you agree with her or not, is a genuine radical who actually wants to change the way the country is run and challenge the mainstream consensus. She doesn’t try to water down her views, is prepared to stand by what she believes in even if it costs her her job. And she still gets criticised for refusing to stop saying what she really thinks.

So what do we want from our politicians?

I can see this view, but it has been proved to her, fairly spectacularly, that her views are wrong. Or at least too radical.

As you say, the rest are 'what do I need to promise to be elected' which started with Blair.

Fortunately, Truss will never win an election, even if they do make her leader again. I would say 'surely the Conservative party can't be thar dense', but stranger things have happened. It wasn't long ago that they thought she was a better bet than Sunak. They are very much lacking anyone waiting in the wings.

Moldywarpedalright · 03/10/2023 05:21

localnotail · 02/10/2023 22:32

Weird, deluded, and completely, utterly bonkers - someone who believes BoE is part of an anti-capitalist conspiracy group and continues to insist that her disastrous budget would have worked if it wasn't for the "global left" - whatever fuck that is...she should be banned from politics for life and potentially sectioned as she clearly is a danger to people.

Yes: vain, deluded, corrupt, immoral basically sums up the cabal of Tory politicians represented by Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Dorries and Truss. They are all play-acting to some degree aren’t they?

m It speaks so poorly of our current political system that they were allowed to inhabit positions of influence.

What I don’t understand is why is there no legal redress for what LT did? Her recklessness and incompetence cost the country £30 million. I would say that is bordering on criminal behaviour, even though her tenure was state sanctioned? Any individual causing that level of monetary loss in the private sector would be jailed wouldn’t they?

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/12/revealed-the-30bn-cost-of-liz-trusss-disastrous-mini-budget

Does anyone know the legal position? Do prime ministers have special protection from prosecution or something?

Revealed: the £30bn cost of Liz Truss’s disastrous mini-budget | Liz Truss | The Guardian

Analysis shows former PM was responsible for half of the Treasury’s £60bn fiscal hole as chancellor prepares to announce cuts in Thursday’s budget

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2022/nov/12/revealed-the-30bn-cost-of-liz-trusss-disastrous-mini-budget

elessar · 03/10/2023 06:03

I find it all so utterly depressing that time after time these morally bankrupt liars and crooks (Truss, Johnson, JRM, Matt Hancock, Nadine Dorries etc etc etc) who have done untold damage to our country and impacted so many people negatively get away with it Scott free, get rewarded with knighthoods, get to reinvent themselves as celebrities on TV shows, get paid to write books and do talks. It's just grim.

Anniessong · 03/10/2023 06:46

Libertass · 02/10/2023 19:31

Politicians who seem to have no principles, who stand for nothing and who will apparently say anything to get elected get criticised. And rightly so, with Keir Starmer being a prime example.
Then along comes Truss who, whether you agree with her or not, is a genuine radical who actually wants to change the way the country is run and challenge the mainstream consensus. She doesn’t try to water down her views, is prepared to stand by what she believes in even if it costs her her job. And she still gets criticised for refusing to stop saying what she really thinks.

So what do we want from our politicians?

Competency? Basic economic understanding? Not to cost the country billions? Not to wreck our lives?

tpxqi · 03/10/2023 06:57

To be fair, she is not wrong about the fact that we need lower taxes and supply side reforms. Rishi Sunak did untold damage by printing half a trillion dollars and spreading it around like confetti during Covid. It was mostly wasted or stolen by the government itself through rampant corruption.

We have the highest tax burden since WW2 and what the size of the state is simply unsustainable. Her mistake was not cut taxes, it was to announce the £60b energy payment to households. She couldn’t do both at the same time. Also the BofE cut her off at the knees by making the announcement with the gilts just before her budget. This would be the same BofE which has been so incompetent for the last 15 years, that they have failed at the only job they have - managing inflation. Interest rates are not high now because of Truss, they are because inflation is still 3x what it should be. Truss didn’t do that, 15 years of quantitative easing and Covid lockdowns did that.

She is the wrong woman with the right ideas.

tpxqi · 03/10/2023 07:00

MN is a perpetual reminder about how economic illiterate this country is. If asked most the people on here dropping their virtuous soundbites as to the detail behind what has actually with gilts, forex and inflation, you probably wouldn’t get anything. Regurgitating what you need on Twitter does not mean you understand.

FatandRoundBouncingontheGround · 03/10/2023 07:10

Went to see An evening with Rory Stewart recently. He talked about how, as newly appointed minister for national parks, when May was PM (as in, he had been appointed that day,) he went to see Liz Truss who was his boss. She said she wanted a ten point action plan for national parks. He said he would contact the heads of the national parks, have a round table, identify everyone's priorities, etc and have the ten point plan with her within 3 weeks. She said, "no, I want it tomorrow morning. Let's face it, we already know what will be on it; top one will be something about young people and parks, second about the environment, etc".

He said she operated entirely on show and soundbites with no interest in research based or actual expert views.

Seems that was borne out by her prime ministership.

ExtraOnions · 03/10/2023 07:27

The Tory Party are going to be splitting in two … the “right” and the “far right”, the far right need a leader, which is where Truss, Braveman, Badencock etc, will be positioning themselves.

The whole point of the Brexit referendum was to try to keep the Tory party as a whole, but the ploy didn’t work as Brexit has not delivered what the right of the party wanted it to deliver…. Which is why a split is on the cards anyway.

Your traditional Tory voter is more moderate that the right of the party would leave you to believe, and my hope is that the far right of the party (with its nasty racist rhetoric) finds itself unsupported by the wider Tory voters.

I was no fan of Thatcher (I’m a Northern Labour voter), but, she was an intelligent woman, with beliefs that would now put her in the centre ground. Truss et al, will say anything for votes.

Moldywarpedalright · 03/10/2023 07:34

FatandRoundBouncingontheGround · 03/10/2023 07:10

Went to see An evening with Rory Stewart recently. He talked about how, as newly appointed minister for national parks, when May was PM (as in, he had been appointed that day,) he went to see Liz Truss who was his boss. She said she wanted a ten point action plan for national parks. He said he would contact the heads of the national parks, have a round table, identify everyone's priorities, etc and have the ten point plan with her within 3 weeks. She said, "no, I want it tomorrow morning. Let's face it, we already know what will be on it; top one will be something about young people and parks, second about the environment, etc".

He said she operated entirely on show and soundbites with no interest in research based or actual expert views.

Seems that was borne out by her prime ministership.

This is shocking. Especially since her working methods must have been known by many Tory MPs who supported her and voted for her. They should apologise to the nation. As should the membership of the Tory party. Why is no one taking responsibility?

GunboatDiplomacy · 03/10/2023 07:42

What's so surprising is that Tory MPs know full well that Sunak is far more popular than the party as a whole. Obviously this is relative: he's still got a negative rating, but he's streets ahead of all the other possible candidates. For them to be stabbing him in the back so close to an election is the politics of despair.

Graciebobcat · 03/10/2023 07:45

tpxqi · 03/10/2023 07:00

MN is a perpetual reminder about how economic illiterate this country is. If asked most the people on here dropping their virtuous soundbites as to the detail behind what has actually with gilts, forex and inflation, you probably wouldn’t get anything. Regurgitating what you need on Twitter does not mean you understand.

You don't need an in depth understanding of economics to have an opinion or to vote, you pompous ass. We do quite rightly expect those who represent us to have better knowledge and to make good decisions.

People can see the fucking destruction around them, the overnight effect of the disasterous mini budget and failure in just about every aspect of running the country.

Mamagotmilk · 03/10/2023 07:47

TheLightProgramme · 02/10/2023 20:20

She's a bit mad isn't she.

The thing is the position she touts though, its pure, undiluted grass roots conservatism. Low tax, capitalism, the "system" will ensure efficiency....

It doesn't work. Very very clever people just make more money than everyone else, especially if you throttle unions which are the only way most people can bargain effectively for a better share of the value their labour helps create.

You say very very clever
I say unprincipled greedy cunty

smilesup · 03/10/2023 07:50

The fact 60 Tory MPs went to her briefing says all you need to know about the Tories.
How anyone can vote for them now is absolutely beyond me.

Moldywarpedalright · 03/10/2023 07:51

tpxqi · 03/10/2023 06:57

To be fair, she is not wrong about the fact that we need lower taxes and supply side reforms. Rishi Sunak did untold damage by printing half a trillion dollars and spreading it around like confetti during Covid. It was mostly wasted or stolen by the government itself through rampant corruption.

We have the highest tax burden since WW2 and what the size of the state is simply unsustainable. Her mistake was not cut taxes, it was to announce the £60b energy payment to households. She couldn’t do both at the same time. Also the BofE cut her off at the knees by making the announcement with the gilts just before her budget. This would be the same BofE which has been so incompetent for the last 15 years, that they have failed at the only job they have - managing inflation. Interest rates are not high now because of Truss, they are because inflation is still 3x what it should be. Truss didn’t do that, 15 years of quantitative easing and Covid lockdowns did that.

She is the wrong woman with the right ideas.

How anyone can argue that the UK needs to cut taxes atm given the current state of the NHS, social care, policing, public transport, education infrastructure etc I have no idea.

Yes tax revenues need to be used far more efficiently, and historically for the UK, taxes are high, but they are still below most western EU countries where all of those essential public services are working reasonably well.

No one wants to talk about this but we either want to live in a society where tax is deployed for the good of the whole, or we do what is best for the individual. If it’s virtue signalling to want the former then I’m happy to be accused of it.

maltravers · 03/10/2023 07:51

Libertass · 02/10/2023 19:31

Politicians who seem to have no principles, who stand for nothing and who will apparently say anything to get elected get criticised. And rightly so, with Keir Starmer being a prime example.
Then along comes Truss who, whether you agree with her or not, is a genuine radical who actually wants to change the way the country is run and challenge the mainstream consensus. She doesn’t try to water down her views, is prepared to stand by what she believes in even if it costs her her job. And she still gets criticised for refusing to stop saying what she really thinks.

So what do we want from our politicians?

Competence and a sense of responsibility would be a start. The tories have really lost the plot if they think the country would tolerate the woman who cost us £49bn with her lunatic schemes and refusal to take advice.