AIBU or is mumsnet slowly being infiltrated by women hating men.

[NotSuchASmugMarried]

Am I imagining things or is it getting worse here. Every single time we post something a poster will immediately pop up and hijack the thread with a pro-men agenda instead of actually contributing to the thread.

Please tell me if you agree. I can't possibly be the only one who thinks this.

I actually haven't seen anyone defend women's violence but some of us can occasionally understand what caused it when the poster is the perpetrator. We still say it is unacceptable and they have to separate

Scratching my head because he said at 14:05
Because it's been made clear by those who run the site that we're welcome,

Why does it never occur to posters like this that men need neither their permission, or approval to post here.

"By parents, for parents"

Or does 'parent' only mean mothers now?

Oh, I'm totally used to the fact that men think they are wanted and their opinion is needed everywhere, at all times.

I'm well aware that a significant proportion of men really can't stand women talking to each other without any need for their input.

I'm not remotely surprised by it. It's just really fucking annoying.

Just because MNHQ have said it's OK for men to post here doesn't mean that all of the users welcome their input.

Hedrin is pretty good.

I haven't really experienced any problems in real life, but on here, there are a lot of women who really hate other women.

I like to see the things that posters get accused of being 'jealous' of, when in fact they just 'don't like' the thing in question. My favourite ever was on a stupid thread about 'Baby on Board' signs, where someone who had one told those who don't like them that they were all jealous. It's literally a sign that costs a fiver and anyone can buy one. So bizarre.

Just wanted to repeat this that the new poster Kemper had to say....

Not agreeing with him btw, I thought it was quite revealing

Ah, so you've joined mumsnet and spend your time policing the tone of women posting. We are truly blessed.

Thank you. That is very revealing.

i have noticed a sharp increase in anti-choice posts. Very frustrating but amusing in equal measure because I think people too often make the mistake of thinking MN is just full of airhead housewives. So when the evangelical nutters descend on the abortion threads I LOVE IT when they get their arses handed to them with smart, factual posts

Oh, I'm totally used to the fact that men think they are wanted and their opinion is needed everywhere, at all times.

I'm well aware that a significant proportion of men really can't stand women talking to each other without any need for their input.

I'm not remotely surprised by it. It's just really fucking annoying.
Me neither.
Personally I don't care about men posting because there's a lot of men who are active parents and are probably really decent chaps. There's probably men on lots of threads and we don't know it.

The "man here" posts who then proceed to mansplain, dismiss or excuse awful behaviour, and belittle women seem to crop up with an alarming regularity on certain types of threads: usually relationships and ones where women are discussing male pattern behaviour.

YY to suspicions around women talking to each other. People hate it! Look at any post that states “The other mums in the playground don’t talk to Me” and literally because women are talking to their mates they’re vilified! A recent thread had them being called a coven, queen bee, bitch and even cunts. Because they’re talking to mates and not the other 200 parents in the playground.

Revealing of what? That I understand demographics?

@Thepeopleversuswork

You can call them "women with a different opinion from me". I call them handmaidens and women with strong internalised misogyny. I think they are wrong and I believe they are misled primarily because they have ingested and accepted a lot of male-driven rhetoric about the roles of men and women in society. If that makes me judgemental, so be it.”

Couldn’t agree more!!

Which demographic data are you referring to?

So, in essence: “They’re thick because they disagree with me”

If you're part of a disempowered group that is physically (or in other ways) weaker and smaller than the dominant group, it can seem like it's in your interests to suck up to them.

Of course it's not actually, ultimately, remotely in your interests, but superficially it's much easier to go along with what the big, shouty, rich, rapey section of society tells you to do, say, and think.

@Potiphar

btw I think it’s fine to think the pay gap isn’t a big deal, that a women’s place is in the home, and that a woman going to work risks damaging her children. “

but a woman’s place isn’t in the home, the pay gap is a big dead and a mother working doesn’t damage children. It’s not a matter of opinion - those things are inaccurate. It’s like someone saying grass is pink or the sea is orange. You wouldn’t say that oh that is their opinion, you’d say they were wrong. Same with this.

Me three.

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To be expected. Lawrence and Russell have time on their hands these days. Have to fill those empty hours somehow.

I don't necessarily think they are thick. They certainly are not well educated and haven't been encouraged to develop critical faculties. That's not their fault, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be challenged.

As @LuckySantangelo35 points out, it's demonstrably, empirically untrue that the gender pay gap or women being forced (or strongly encouraged) to remain at home as opposed to working are good for women as a class. There's no sensible debate about this.

Similarly, despite decades of handwringing about this, no one has yet turned up any credible scientific evidence that working mothers damage their children by working.

As I said upthread, I'm perfectly happy for people to believe these things if it makes them feel better and will defend their right to do so etc etc. But I'm not going to be persuaded that their opinions are of equal weight to those of us who have lived experience of this and have read extensively around it.

Oh, and Dan Wooton, the Misogynist Triumvirate complete.

A lot of women have “lived experience” of other women being awful to them, and I don’t mean school gate paranoia, I mean really awful stuff, but haven’t had bad experiences with men. At what point does your liver experience trump theres? Or is it because you’ve read a few books.

What on earth do you think qualifies you to say that there are a lot of women who haven't had bad experiences with men? Or indeed anything at all about women's lived experience - to a group of women?

Why do you think any of us want a man to explain to us what the lived experience of women is?

It would be funny if it didn't have such dire consequences in the wider world.