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Not to give my child Flu jab

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Binjob118 · 30/09/2023 19:55

My son is 6 and has been offered the nasal flu jab at school. He has had it the last 2 years and had no problems, but I now feel reluctant to give it to him. Does a healthy child really need this? I have to admit this change in my thinking has come about since the COVID vaccine rollout and the many vaccine injuries that seem to be being ignored by the MSM.

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Dotcheck · 03/10/2023 06:41

smallshinybutton · 30/09/2023 19:56

Don't then. Just don't complain if he gets flu or passes it on to a relative who then dies.

Yes- that IS the only outcome here

MaggieFS · 03/10/2023 06:56

I haven't RTFT so this may be cancel the cheque... but...

IT'S NOT TO PROTECT THE ELDERLY.

FFS. Use your brains. If is was, they'd give it to far more of the population than just kids.

And they elderly are entitled to the jab anyway.

Kids are snotty, grotty, and spend a lot of time in close proximity to each other. It's to protect them from themselves.

Flu is awful. Don't know why anyone reasonably wouldn't have the vax.

IrresponsiblyCertainAboutSexualDimorphism · 03/10/2023 07:18

Bingbangboo64 · 03/10/2023 05:50

You need 2x flu vaccines per flu season to be covered,they last about 3-4 months. Vax failure rate is very high they often get the strains wrong,one year is was 4% chance it will prevent flu and lets not forget a out the hundred possible side effects- from flu itself to meningitis caused hy the vaccine and as flu vaccine is a live vaccine shedding to other people.

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The nasal spray is a live, attenuated vaccine. The injection version is not live.

Audreysbaywindow · 03/10/2023 07:24

IrresponsiblyCertainAboutSexualDimorphism · 03/10/2023 07:18

The nasal spray is a live, attenuated vaccine. The injection version is not live.

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And anyone who has concerns about the live vaccine can get the injected vaccine for their children instead. It’s as simple as a call to your gp!

IrresponsiblyCertainAboutSexualDimorphism · 03/10/2023 07:27

Roselilly36 · 03/10/2023 03:27

@TheBaddestTurkeyInTown No she shouldn’t. I have MS, I was told by my MS Nurse Specialist, very soon after my diagnosis never to have a live vaccine.

Only the nasal spray is live. She and you can have one of the injections.

smilesup · 03/10/2023 07:31

I have had ME for 22 years as a result of the flu. Ruined my 20s. I always have a jab now.

HowAmYa · 03/10/2023 07:34

Highest rate of hospitalisation for flu is children under 5.
Protecting the elderly...where the f do people get their info from lol.

Nottodaty · 03/10/2023 07:35

Last year our daughter flu vaccines seemed to be given much later in the year.
Unfortunately my daughter got flu just before and she ended up really poorly, in hospital. It took about 6 weeks to fully recover and eventually needed two doses of antibiotics as it went to her chest.

we also both got it but thankfully after feeling absolutely rubbish for a few days didn’t get it as bad as her.

But it’s yourself choice whether to give it to your child.

HairyMolly1 · 03/10/2023 07:36

I've said you're being unreasonable because a)I'm a paeds nurse who gives these nasal flus to kids and b) I used to question the need for this myself until my friend's little immunocompromised 13yr died from the flu. You're doing it to protect your kids but also the vulnerable kids and adults you come into contact with.

Audreysbaywindow · 03/10/2023 07:44

smilesup · 03/10/2023 07:31

I have had ME for 22 years as a result of the flu. Ruined my 20s. I always have a jab now.

My mum is the same- M.E following flu. She lost her career, her independence and most of her life- she is bed bound now.

Mrsjayy · 03/10/2023 08:10

Thementalloadisreal · 03/10/2023 01:20

Why do people sometimes write flu “jag” instead of “jab”. Is it a typo/fat thumbs issue or is it some kind of tin foil hat conspiracy lingo?

More than likely Scottish,we say jag instead of jab, nothing sinister 😃

Justifiedcheese · 03/10/2023 08:18

BananaSlug · 30/09/2023 19:58

Yes it’s to protect the elderly.

MN will be against it, then.
OP, you are gullibly sucking up conspiracy theory junk. Sod the mainstream media, look at the science.

Volhhg · 03/10/2023 09:56

When the rollout of the flu vaccine started a few years ago the health service said that this is one of the reasons for offering it to children and it is how they justified funding for it. Before then it was like the chicken pox vaccine in that it wasn't seen as cost effective to offer it to younger people.

Bingbangboo64 · 03/10/2023 11:03

Audreysbaywindow · 03/10/2023 07:24

And anyone who has concerns about the live vaccine can get the injected vaccine for their children instead. It’s as simple as a call to your gp!

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I rather not,have you read the patient information sheet?

Mrsjayy · 03/10/2023 11:43

What's on the patient info sheet that puts you off ? Genuine question not a dig or anything.

Orientalnamechange · 03/10/2023 11:44

Have you read the patient information leaflet for paracetamol?

Bet you still take that tho

HongKongGarden · 03/10/2023 11:51

Bingbangboo64 · 03/10/2023 11:03

I rather not,have you read the patient information sheet?

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I have, as have the experts who recommend that it be given to children.

It’s generally those without a decent science education choosing not to vaccinate, and nearly always based on ignorance and low intelligence.

Desecratedcoconut · 03/10/2023 11:57

It's not to protect the elderly. Although that may be an indirect affect. Children and the flu are a much more explosive combination than kids and COVID.The number of deaths and admissions of children with flu wipes the floor with the COVID stats for the same demographic.

Op, it's up to you what you do but I think it would be cavalier if your child has other health problems, especially if they are a wheezer.

Audreysbaywindow · 03/10/2023 11:57

Bingbangboo64 · 03/10/2023 11:03

I rather not,have you read the patient information sheet?

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Yes of course

NotReadyForAutumnYet · 03/10/2023 12:22

Desecratedcoconut · 03/10/2023 11:57

It's not to protect the elderly. Although that may be an indirect affect. Children and the flu are a much more explosive combination than kids and COVID.The number of deaths and admissions of children with flu wipes the floor with the COVID stats for the same demographic.

Op, it's up to you what you do but I think it would be cavalier if your child has other health problems, especially if they are a wheezer.

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Is this annually or just over winter season? Is this combined flu and pneumonia? Thanks

Coyoacan · 03/10/2023 16:08

RafaistheKingofClay · 03/10/2023 06:38

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0163445313003733

This is from 2014 but will still be relevant. 2 in every 1000 healthy under 5s will be admitted to hospital with flu every year. That’s the highest level in all age groups. It’s lower in 5-14 year olds (1 in every 10,000 healthy children) but I’d imagine that the risk is probably weighted towards the lower end of that group given the issue with respiratory infections is complicated by size.

Last year around 200children a week were being admitted to hospital because of flu in October and that wasn’t at the peak of flu season.

It’s really inaccurate to suggest that children are not at risk from flu and don’t need protecting.

So that explains why it is only given to under fives in Mexico

CeriB82 · 03/10/2023 17:50

No. My DC developed issues after covid jabs so no one in our house is having the flu jab

Desecratedcoconut · 03/10/2023 18:38

So, if you go back before the mass flu immunisations of school children at school - I'm picking out 2009 - which was significant to me because it tanked my 6 mo and we stayed in hospital for a week with him:

That year 19% of hospital admissions were 0-4 yo, 8% were 5-14yo, 13% were 15-24 yo. The number of people 65yo+ totalled 14%.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/hec.3834

Obviously this looks totally different to who we expect to see in hospital with COVID.

I'm not making any bold claims about being an expert on this stuff but I think it's easy to be complacent about it, compared to COVID it has become 'just' the flu but for children it can be a real pisser.

RafaistheKingofClay · 03/10/2023 18:53

Under 5s also have pretty high rates of admission for covid relative to other age groups. I think they have the highest rates of admission after the over 55s.