AIBU to think the disabled are the next target?

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The Guardian

Though Jeremy Hunt said the government was “not in a position” to contemplate a decrease in tax immediately, he said the welfare budget could be hit further down the line to foot the bill.

He told the Times that 100,000 people a year were “moving off work into benefits without any obligation to look for work” – a sign he said showed the system was not working.

The welfare system had to be a “mix of carrot and stick”, with more assistance required to help people find work, given there was “no shortage of jobs”, he added."

Funny how 'carrot and stick' always equates to 'more stick'.

They are also the only cohort who had experience both in and out of the EC. Brexit is much more complex than about the economy, I think many older people wanted a financial not political union. All generations are formed by their experiences and none are morally better than any other (unless you count people who fought in the wars who were probably better but unlikely to be still around).

I’d actually support that if there was another way of being able to register as disabled. And they set the means testing at a sensible level.

I get PIP but arguably don’t need the money (it is welcome, and I spend it entirely on disability-related costs, but I could just about manage without it). However, I do need a couple of specific things it acts as the gateway for. So until or unless there’s another way of accessing those, I’m pretty much stuck with PIP.

Pensioners are the only age cohort who stated that they would be willing to vote for the whole country to be poorer to achieve Brexit

Pensioners are also the cohort who voted remain in 1976, so I'm not sure it's as clear cut as those who see generational division would have us believe.

(Where would we be now if the referendum had been in 1991 instead?)

I do think this is what will happen soon. Although it has two issues. One the gateway benefits you suggest. Two that tipping point between working and not becomes more unbalanced. For those that may benefit being out of the house especially. I’m not being facetious it’s known that being active and out if you can leads to a more healthy lifestyle.

@DoItAgainPlz that's a very sweeping statement.

Pensioners are the only age cohort who stated that they would be willing to vote for the whole country to be poorer to achieve Brexit

It’s not true anyway.

Surely it is true, according to your graph? In every other age category remain is over half of the turnout?

I’m doubting myself now….

Less than 50% for Remain in all three older age groups, ie all over 45. Just goes to show how myths take hold, doesn’t it? I was surprised myself.

Means tested disability benefits puts disabled people at massive risk of being stuck in abusive situations with no support or money.

Sorry but I think your wrong @blossomtoes.

• Age 45-54, approx 43% voted remain from a turnout of around 67%. More than half the turnout voted remain.
• Age 55 to 64, approx 42% voted remain from a turnout of around 74%. Again, more than half the turnout voted remain.
• 65% is the only category where more than half of the turnout did not vote remain (only 40% of a turnout of 90% voted remain).

You've misunderstood the graph.

(Either that or more than 100% of the youngest age group voted remain )

What I interpreted from the youngest category is that approx 72% wanted remain but only approx 64% bothered to turnout. Which sounds about right really.

I don’t see any other way of interpreting the graph. Unless someone has the source and we can check.

I see exactly what you’re saying but is the Remain vote shown as a percentage of the turnout? This is the commentary that accompanied the diagram.

Blaming older generations for the outcome is prevalent in many analyses: if only the young had voted, the result would clearly have been ‘remain’. Two points are worth noting in the debate on young versus older voters. First, interpolating from the numbers in Figure 1, the ‘leave’ vote outstrips ‘remain’ already by the age of 41 or 42. Second, higher turnout among the young would have helped the ‘remain’ side, but would not have decisively swung the result. In fact, if the turnout of 18-34 year olds had been the same as that of the 65 year olds and older, it would have yielded a 50-50 outcome (see Figure 2). This is based on the assumption that abstaining young voters would have shown the same preferences as those who actually voted.

Here’s the link so you have the same information as me.

https://www.ceps.eu/ceps-publications/demographics-and-brexit-deeper-problem-eu/

My niece doesn’t want to work & never has. She admits this openly. She also doesn’t want to pay water as it falls from the sky for free🙄 she definitely has more disposable income than me. She’s just had a new bathroom & radiators. She also got registered with the only nhs dentist in the area & gets free scripts.

I have saved ALL my life, done without, lived frugally. I know 9 mums that won’t do more than 16(?) hours as they then can’t get UC. Again, they live better than me.

imo, the system needs a massive overhaul.

Ok, I think I see now. So for 45 to 54, for example, ~67% turned out and of them ~44% voted remain.

It’s not my favourite graph ever but I see where I was going wrong!

I agree, it’s not great. It’s given my brain a workout though!

I see a lot of discussion on here from people saying they might drop down to 16 hours for more time with their kids. Like, sorry what? Those sort of calculations shouldn’t even be an option.

In my view if you reduce your hours voluntarily you shouldn’t have access to additional benefits for at least a year.

The taxpayer is not your sugarmamma.

Yep, I agree. I didn’t even know it was a thing until I met school mums!

I have an 8 year old mini that it took 4.5yrz to save, 1 has a ‘21 puma & another has a brand new Nissan!

£13k I earn & they must get more than me with their wage & whatever else they get.

They’re nice people, I guess it’s not their fault - this is why it’s not working.

The only "clear and present danger" in this country is sick evil fuckers who appear to be promoting eugenics.

You need fucking arresting for hate speech.

Yes when mine were primary age I knew so many mums sticking rigidly to their 16 hours even when offered more/payrises and expecting the taxpayer to pick up the tab for their lifestyle

Yes, it's a terrible graph to be fair!

Sorry! 😞

No it's not your fault, it's an interesting topic, it just could be displayed better

Yes I don't agree with the 16 hr either.

This.

Ds1(19, ASD, ADHD, highly anxious and electively mute) is doing supported internships, this year. Unpaid. Much of that support is through access to work. There is a £66k budget for that support. That is about 20 times what he receives in means tested benefits.