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to stand up to a drug dealer/ stalker?

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totalmisfit · 05/03/2008 11:18

i was just walking home after dropping dd at playgroup when i noticed this same white van basically driving past me then going round the corner and driving past me again. it stopped ahead of me, just outside our block of flats and the driver got out. I recognised him as the local drug dealer who uses the car-park of our block and the road in front to deal drugs/snort coke and generally harass the residents, in particular my dp and myself.

He basically just stood there staring at me and i thought 'do i go past him or do i just turn back and go the other way and hope that he disappears?'. I decided to brave it as i only have an hour and a half to myself before picking up dd again and don't really have time to waste wandering the streets to avoid creepy guys like him. So he kept staring and i kept walking and then without thinking i just blurted out 'Can you please stop staring at me. I find it intimidating.' Stupid thing to say, i know. He started walking towards me with his fists clenched saying 'What? What? You can't decide who i look at. Why don't you get your husband to come sort it out?' (I think his fixation might be more to do with dp than me, as he has been asking the other residents which flat we live in and regularly walks around looking up at all the windows to see where we are).

So then i stupidly blurted out 'look we've had enough of this, and your drug dealing' To which he replied 'you grass! Why don't you call the police then! go on, call them'. still walking towards me. by this stage i had opened the communal front door and just managed to blurt out 'F*ing stalker!' I don't know why, it was a really stupid and inflammatory thing to say but by this stage fear and anger had taken over and it was as if someone else was talking.

So i got in and there he was, pacing up and down looking up at all the windows trying to see me. At one point i think he saw me so I just panicked and called the police who turned up pretty promptly and asked me a few questions about him, then they said they'd go and speak to him and 'see if our stories matched. They didn't take a formal statement from me so i dont' think they took it very seriously and he drove off in his own van a few minutes later, once again scrutinising the building to try and work out where i was.

So tell me i was being unreasonable. after all, i basically started this confrontation, didn't i? he does have the right to stare at anyone he likes, after all.

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totalmisfit · 05/03/2008 14:10

agree about keeping a log will start that now. v good idea.

yep he's definitely on something - we see him sitting in his car doing lines of coke all the time. feel sorry for the other people on the road when he's around tbh.

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VictorianSqualor · 05/03/2008 14:11

Sorry, but I think you're all bonkers and have no idea how these type of people work.

Right now she is in his eyes, a gobby madam (better?) who has called the police on him, hence he has a reason to continue to try and intimidate her. She is no threat to him!

If she were to speak to him, probably best when he is alone, he is more likely to think the gobby madam isn't really that bad.

mrsruffallo · 05/03/2008 14:12

He sounds lovely!!
Are you feeling better?

jesuswhatnext · 05/03/2008 14:12

sometimes vs, you have to stand up and be counted, however scared you are, these 'resonable types' threaten, bully, intimidate etc to get what THEY want, the 'right' to do exactly what they choose!

i speak from experience, i live in what by day is a lovely area, until the events of a year ago (yes, ipswich) women (and most men) simlpy could not walk alone after dark fro fear of harrasment from not just dealers but kerb-crawlers, pimps and even the girls themselves.

long before the terrible killings we as residents decided to take action through many means ie. police neighbourhood watch etc.

i want to live in a society where my dd can walk home alone, where i not am stared at by creepy, pervey kerb-crawlers and my nieces and nephews are not offered drugs at the school gate, so, unfortuantly it is 'put up or shut' time!

sorry, got carried away with my rant! just hate to see people scared and bullied in the places they should feel safest

FioFio · 05/03/2008 14:12

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VictorianSqualor · 05/03/2008 14:13

She is already scared!
Surely the most important thing here is her safety?

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jesuswhatnext · 05/03/2008 14:17

the best way the op can ensure her safety is to stand up to him, essentially these people are cowards, he may threaten to do all sorts, however, he won't want to be constantly pulled by the police, it will seriously disrupt his income!

i know she is scared, so was i, but i can't tell you the relief of seeing the back of these shits!

VictorianSqualor · 05/03/2008 14:18

If she's someone he thinks is likely to go to the trouble of reporting him to the police he is going to me more likely to intimidate her.

Maybe your idea of acting as if you don't know him could work, but I think if she feels he is still harrassing her it's better to disarm him with being seemingly reasonable.
Doesn't mean he has to know what she does behind closed doors, i.e the log/call the police etc.

singingmum · 05/03/2008 14:19

Actually am speaking from experience. Have lived in a n area where the majority of those types harrased people regularly.Thats how I learnt that to stop them you have to make it known that you will not be trodden on.
I've been threatened with physicall violence and not once have I walked away,and not once have I been injured through these people.
Bullies are by nature cowards who will not do anything by themselves and after you stand up to them will not go after you because they themselves become scared.By saying somethiong to him and by phoning the police she has shown that he cannot intimidate her and that she is actually more of a threat to his buisness if he keeps it up than if he leaves her alone

VictorianSqualor · 05/03/2008 14:20

Well singingmum, I'm pleased you only had threats.
It's not uncommon for things to escalate incredibly once the police have been informed, or someone has confronted the person in question.
I only hope the OP is as lucky as you. I know I wouldn't want to be the first port of call when someone got a tug and was off their head on charlie with their friends in tow and my daughter was asleep in bed.

jesuswhatnext · 05/03/2008 14:21

i'm with you all the way singingmum

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mrsruffallo · 05/03/2008 14:25

Good for you singing mum.

singingmum · 05/03/2008 14:27

Just a lot dittany
Actually I learnt the hard way what these people can do when you 'just ignore them'
My parents did try this and we ended up being broken into and my little brother (who was barely out of nappies at the time)nearly got hit in the head with a flying brick.I swore then not to be intimidated by idiots.

Yes the sit can escalate when someone calls the police/makes a stand whatever but things also get sorted rather that us all hiding away from the reality that if something isn't done then things get worse and someone somewhere has to stand up and make a difference.Others soon follow and the difference can be great.

jesuswhatnext · 05/03/2008 14:28

i have been told that i would be 'cut' and my house 'torched' i was MORE than happy to tell the c**t to fuck off, guess what? said twat is doing 4 years and i am still here to tell the tale !!

mrsruffallo · 05/03/2008 14:30

Go jesuswhatnext-mn'ers kick ass!!!

singingmum · 05/03/2008 14:30

Well done jesus like your style

jesuswhatnext · 05/03/2008 14:35

well thank you ladies

i will say that i had a few sleepless nights but i'm so glad i stood up to him

one night i even chucked a glass of red wine into his open-top bmw - even my dh said that was going a little far but the red-mist had decended

totalmisfit · 05/03/2008 14:35

singingmum and jesuswhatnext - you are two brave ladies.

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totalmisfit · 05/03/2008 14:36

yup - i know all about that red mist after today!

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Mouselady · 05/03/2008 14:40

I commend your community spirit. If I had a possible drug dealer in my street, I too would pass information to the police. However, you have a possible drug dealer who may have a pre-existing grudge against your dp which makes the situation a bit different in my view. And whilst you can ask the police to keep anonymous any info/complaint you make about the drug dealing, you can't keep anonymous a grudge that goes back at least a decade.
Do you know what the dealer's brother is like now? Does he himself still bear a grudge about the fight?
I might consider 'bumping' into the brother (if he is a proper human) and instigating a convo along the lines 'oh you're still living round here - what, you have 2 children - so do I - yeah, i'm working at such and such - remember that crap school we were both at -' etc etc.
I'm sure other posters will say why should she have to do that? In an ideal world no one would have to do this. But you are going to be looking over your shoulder every time you leave the house.

jesuswhatnext · 05/03/2008 14:49

the police will find it very interesting if the op makes earlier grudges known - it backs up her statement of intimidation and threatening behaviour.

totalmisfit · 05/03/2008 15:46

thanks jwn -

one of the things that really creeps me out about him is that he's been lieing and hassling people to try and get into the building. one bizarre example was months back when he cornered one of the maintenance guys who was doing some gardening. I just happened to be pushing dd in her buggy the other way but i managed to overhear their conversation

'hey! i live there' points to building

maintenance guy, 'er do you?'

'yeah...so how about you? do you live on site?' I guess he was trying to size up the security situation to see whether these big black guys would be able to stop him breaking in etc.

'no, we don't live here.'

'well i do. have you got a key?' i didn't hear teh rest of the conversation but suffice to say he ended up going back across the road to his own garage (his garden or i suspect, his parent's garden backs on to our street

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