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DH Gambling

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Glitterrocket · 22/09/2023 09:12

Long time poster, name change for this post.

For background, DH has a gambling addiction. It isn't always an out of control addiction as he isn't spending large sums of money or doing it secretively etc. It is however an addiction none the less and it does at times impact our family, through his mood etc. He gambles every week, small amounts usually anywhere around £5-20. However, he battles with mental health and has other addictions from his past that he is thankfully in long term recovery from. When he is struggling with his mental health the gambling increases and he finds it extremely difficult to stop. Again, this stays relatively low (as far as gambling addiction goes) and is never above £50-60 as he is always aware of how much is too much. We have a young family and he put that amount in place as a limit for himself as he knows we don't have endless amounts of money to be spending on this.

About 6 months ago, he had one of these flare ups and was in a vicious cycle of winning small amounts back and putting it straight back on and when he finally lost it all, he blew his top and the anger came spilling out. He immediately took himself off so that me and the kids didn't have to be witness to it and when he came back some hours later, begged me to help him. Together, we put a game ban on his phone which is currently in place for 10 years. We discussed getting him professional help, but he decided against it in the end.

Roll on a few weeks and I (stupidly?) let him place a small £5 bet on my phone - with me present. I had my phone straight back off him and all was good. If I hadn't let him use my phone, he would have likely took himself off to the bookies and would have been back in the cycle, so I figured doing it with me was less likely to have any repercussions. He was going to do it anyway so I thought at the time it was the right thing. The next week, he asked if he could use my phone to place a bet again and although hesitant, the week previous hadn't been an issue, so I handed it over to him. He then picked my phone up a little later in the day unbeknownst to me and added more money and gambled some more. I don't check our bank regularly, so didn't notice this for quite some time. So the pattern of me lending him my phone to put a very small bet on each week continued. I thought it was all under control.

The other day we were talking on the phone and he mentioned putting a bet on that night, to which I replied 'Yeah no worries but remember we've got a lot to pay for this month so make it a small one' He blew up like a bottle of pop, called me controlling and started going off about how he's a grown man and can do what he wants. I calmly left the conversation as didn't want to start an argument over the phone. Later that night we discussed what had happened, he apologised and said he was struggling with the addiction again but that he would like a little more control over when and how much he can spend.

As someone who's been in an emotionally and financially controlling relationship, I never want to make my DH feel like that! I thought I was doing the right thing and didn't for a second think it may seem controlling to DH. I thought he saw it as me trying to help. I now feel absolutely awful that he feels this way but don't know where to go from here. He doesn't want to get professional help and the addiction isn't causing us any financial issues, but it is causing stress and strain on our relationship.

AIBU?

Should I back off? Have I been getting too involved and coming across controlling? I trust the man explicitly, but addiction is a completely different ball game and it's easy for it to take hold of you. If it were just the 2 of us, I wouldn't feel so uneasy, but with kids to think of and him not wanting professional help, I don't know what to do for the best.

Sorry this was so long.

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Bananasinpyjamas1988 · 22/09/2023 09:15

I think you need to get help for yourself. You think that you are helping but you are enabling him. You need him to work it out for yourself. Have you thought about attending co dependents anonymous for example?

MatildaTheCat · 22/09/2023 09:17

He clearly doesn’t really want to stop otherwise he’d engage with professionals.

Hes the equivalent of an alcoholic who wants to be a one pint man. He can do it for a while but he is an alcoholic who is not and never will be a one pint man.

How do you feel about living with an addict who has no real interest in stopping?

ReliantRobyn · 22/09/2023 09:18

That's pretty controlling tbh. He needs professional help, not a wife who keeps the privy purse.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 22/09/2023 09:21

You need to get help with this. He should be blocked on all gambling sites and getting help. If necessary block yourself on all sites too. https://www.gamstop.co.uk/

There is a link to help and resources on the GamStop site.

GAMSTOP - Gambling Self-Exclusion Scheme

GAMSTOP is a free service that lets you put controls in place to help restrict your online gambling activities

https://www.gamstop.co.uk/

Glitterrocket · 22/09/2023 09:23

Thank you for the replies.

I haven't thought about getting help for myself, thank you I will look into that.

Part of my job sees me dealing with addiction, so it all feels a little odd. I'm fully capable of helping others through addiction, but feel like I'm doing all the wrong things with my DH. I know the only way for him to get through it is with professional help and I don't want to enable him or make matters worse by making him feel like I'm controlling him. But I'm at a loss at what to do as he is refusing professional help and I haven't been able to sit back and let him handle it alone, but maybe that's exactly what I should be doing.

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Whinge · 22/09/2023 09:24

Again, this stays relatively low (as far as gambling addiction goes) and is never above £50-60 as he is always aware of how much is too much. We have a young family and he put that amount in place as a limit for himself as he knows we don't have endless amounts of money to be spending on this.

I've lived with a gambling addict and I can say with some certainty that he's not sticking to any limits.

I know it sounds dramatic but my advice, is to leave. This isn't going to get better, as he doesn't see his gambling as a problem.

Glitterrocket · 22/09/2023 09:24

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 22/09/2023 09:21

You need to get help with this. He should be blocked on all gambling sites and getting help. If necessary block yourself on all sites too. https://www.gamstop.co.uk/

There is a link to help and resources on the GamStop site.

He is blocked on those sites. That's what we did 6 months ago. I do think I need to put the block on my phone too - will do that now thank you.

I'm concerned he will just go straight to the bookies though.

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Glitterrocket · 22/09/2023 09:31

Whinge · 22/09/2023 09:24

Again, this stays relatively low (as far as gambling addiction goes) and is never above £50-60 as he is always aware of how much is too much. We have a young family and he put that amount in place as a limit for himself as he knows we don't have endless amounts of money to be spending on this.

I've lived with a gambling addict and I can say with some certainty that he's not sticking to any limits.

I know it sounds dramatic but my advice, is to leave. This isn't going to get better, as he doesn't see his gambling as a problem.

We share all finances so I do know he has stook to the limits. He has never put more than the limit in - but of course will often put any winnings back in which would add up to more. I'm not naive enough to think this wouldn't happen though.

He is a good man, who happens to battle with trauma and addiction. It's not in my nature to leave someone for those reasons alone. I don't for a second want to leave him. I just wish he would get professional help 😔

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Aquamarine1029 · 22/09/2023 09:31

You are in absolute denial over the fact that your entire life is dangling over a cliff's edge. This man is going to destroy your life, and you are enabling him to do so.

We discussed getting him professional help, but he decided against it in the end.

A condition of you staying married to him should be that he must get professional help or you are divorcing him immediately. Refusing professional help is not a luxury he should be allowed without immediate consequences Even with professional help, your marriage may not survive this.

You say you work with addiction, but I don't think you appreciate just how dreadful your situation is.

AnotherEmma · 22/09/2023 09:32

You are enabling him. Massively. I can't believe you let him do it on your phone! Block everything on your phone and change your passcode too.

He doesn't want professional help which is the crux of the matter. He doesn't want to stop. Only you can decide whether to stay married to someone with no interest in seeking professional help for their gambling addiction.

Presumably you are financially tied to this man, with a joint mortgage? Do you have any joint accounts or joint credit cards? I'd sever as many financial ties as possible, personally.

It's good that you work and have your own income.

How old are the children?

coffy11 · 22/09/2023 09:35

You said you won't leave him but I don't think you have a choice if he won't get professional help. You're enabling him and teaching your kids that this is normal behaviour.

YourNameGoesHere · 22/09/2023 09:37

Whinge · 22/09/2023 09:24

Again, this stays relatively low (as far as gambling addiction goes) and is never above £50-60 as he is always aware of how much is too much. We have a young family and he put that amount in place as a limit for himself as he knows we don't have endless amounts of money to be spending on this.

I've lived with a gambling addict and I can say with some certainty that he's not sticking to any limits.

I know it sounds dramatic but my advice, is to leave. This isn't going to get better, as he doesn't see his gambling as a problem.

I agree completely with this and have been in the same situation. Just because you think you can't see anything untoward on your banking doesn't mean he's sticking to a limit. Gambling by it's very nature means he is deceitful.

Please leave OP it doesn't get better. It really doesn't.

Aquamarine1029 · 22/09/2023 09:38

It's very alarming that you think you can control this for him. You absolutely cannot, and he has proven so.

nobodysdaughternow · 22/09/2023 09:38

I feel so sorry for you because you are trying to help him control an addiction which is impossible.

He calls you controlling purely to enable his addiction.

He also uses the threat of the bookies to enable his addiction.

He doesn't deserve you.

Glitterrocket · 22/09/2023 09:39

Aquamarine1029 · 22/09/2023 09:31

You are in absolute denial over the fact that your entire life is dangling over a cliff's edge. This man is going to destroy your life, and you are enabling him to do so.

We discussed getting him professional help, but he decided against it in the end.

A condition of you staying married to him should be that he must get professional help or you are divorcing him immediately. Refusing professional help is not a luxury he should be allowed without immediate consequences Even with professional help, your marriage may not survive this.

You say you work with addiction, but I don't think you appreciate just how dreadful your situation is.

Deep down I know what you are saying is right 😔

I think part of the problem is because I literally spend my life helping others and I see the effects addiction has on families and how it is often so much worse than what we currently are dealing with. But I'm not stupid - I know this isn't going to end well without professional help. Addiction spirals and spirals until everyone around the addict is in ruins. Our situation isn't in ruins right now, but I'm not naive enough to think it will stay that way.

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AnotherEmma · 22/09/2023 09:40

For you, OP: https://gamfam.org.uk/

(You can't make him seek support - the only thing you can do is seek support for yourself.)

Whinge · 22/09/2023 09:41

Glitterrocket · 22/09/2023 09:31

We share all finances so I do know he has stook to the limits. He has never put more than the limit in - but of course will often put any winnings back in which would add up to more. I'm not naive enough to think this wouldn't happen though.

He is a good man, who happens to battle with trauma and addiction. It's not in my nature to leave someone for those reasons alone. I don't for a second want to leave him. I just wish he would get professional help 😔

Oh OP. Sad I really don't mean this unkindly but if you believe what he's saying then you're being taken for a fool. He absolutely will be spending more than you think.

You need to leave your husband because he will ruin you and your children's lives without a second thought. As I said I lived with a gambler, and I wanted to believe he would change, but gambling is an awful addiction and it destroys families.

Aquamarine1029 · 22/09/2023 09:41

Our situation isn't in ruins right now, but I'm not naive enough to think it will stay that way.

You're just going to hang around and allow it to get to that level before you'll leave him? Think of your kids, FGS.

Glitterrocket · 22/09/2023 09:45

AnotherEmma · 22/09/2023 09:32

You are enabling him. Massively. I can't believe you let him do it on your phone! Block everything on your phone and change your passcode too.

He doesn't want professional help which is the crux of the matter. He doesn't want to stop. Only you can decide whether to stay married to someone with no interest in seeking professional help for their gambling addiction.

Presumably you are financially tied to this man, with a joint mortgage? Do you have any joint accounts or joint credit cards? I'd sever as many financial ties as possible, personally.

It's good that you work and have your own income.

How old are the children?

We have a joint mortgage and all our bank accounts are joint. We don't have credit cards.

The kids are 5 and 9.

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TokyoSushi · 22/09/2023 09:46

Oh OP, this is a really sad post. I know that you're trying to help, but in fact, you're just enabling him and minimising the problem. I'd block all of the sites on your phone too and tell him that you're not going to facilitate his gambling in any way. You've tried the kind & gentle approach, it's not working.

YourNameGoesHere · 22/09/2023 09:48

Glitterrocket · 22/09/2023 09:45

We have a joint mortgage and all our bank accounts are joint. We don't have credit cards.

The kids are 5 and 9.

Honestly the fact you say it's all joint means nothing. You wouldn't have a clue if he had a credit card or even if he had multiple cards.

Please take proper advice and remove yourself and your children from this environment. I've been one of your kids and it fucked up our lives so much.

AnotherEmma · 22/09/2023 09:49

Glitterrocket · 22/09/2023 09:45

We have a joint mortgage and all our bank accounts are joint. We don't have credit cards.

The kids are 5 and 9.

If you work in this area you must know that you are mad to tolerate this situation?!

You need to close all the joint accounts.

Glitterrocket · 22/09/2023 09:54

nobodysdaughternow · 22/09/2023 09:38

I feel so sorry for you because you are trying to help him control an addiction which is impossible.

He calls you controlling purely to enable his addiction.

He also uses the threat of the bookies to enable his addiction.

He doesn't deserve you.

You're right. You all are.

He knows how far I will go to help him and he's using that to get away with not seeking professional help. I really struggle with not directly helping people. In my job, in my personal life ..it all centres around me helping people get through difficult times and up until now I haven't realised that I can't always do that. I know how addiction works, he isn't going to get through this with me enabling him. He isn't going to get through it unless he WANTS to and he needs to do that for himself 😔

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cushioncovers · 22/09/2023 09:54

I would separate op. Life is too short and precious to spend yours on trying to sort him out. Support him from a distance.