To ask for a head count as to how many mumsnetters don’t believe that climate change is caused by human activity?

[workingtowards]

There was a thread on MN many years ago, when a good proportion thought climate change was just weather/natural, so it would be interesting to know if views have changed.

YANBU: Yes human activity is causing climate change
YABU: No climate change is natural and there’s nothing we can do about it

Fire is natural.

Do you want one in your house?

I think obviously humans have an impact, how could we not. I also think net zero, carbon credits and all that shite is a, scam.

Agreed

We absolutely don't have time 😞. I've been following climate change as it were for 50 years, it terrifies me that there are still deniers out there and that it's only now it's properly being covered on MSM. We've had over 50 years to prepare for this and yet here we are ....

Definitely Last Chance Saloon

You cannot seriously, hand on heart claim that humans have nothing to do with it??

So we might as well frack our villages into collapse, have polluted air that increases respiratory deaths, shit on our beaches and cancer/infertility causing pesticides on our food and some of the highest energy prices in the world because we don't use our wind, tidal and solar energy to our own advantage?

(Net Zero is a global commitment. We're not doing it on our own.)

Not particularly.

But I’m not trying to suggest that the climate change is not bad.

Just that even if it is the result of human activity, that is still natural to the planet.

Please please look at this non believers

xkcd.com/1732/

I put YANBU because of course humans are making it a lot worse and directing it’s course, but it is also true that climate change of some form is inevitable and long pre-dates (and will post date) the existence of humans.

This is my favourite meme today

I beleive its a natural cycle.

I beleive human activity has accelerated it - to what extent i do not know.

There should also be an independant review into the reasearch and finding streams behind the climate science, because it is in parts a little dubious in the way it operates and is funded.

We should aim to switch all our power generation to carbon neutral / green sources independant of any other country. Wind, Solar and Nuclear and continue to push Fusion tech.

CurlewKate · Today 13:30

I'm not an expert. So I will go with 97% of the scientific community and say yes, climate change is man made.

This!! It’s not a matter of what I believe.
YANBU

Over Covid when planes were grounded they noted that the ozone layer had started ‘fixing’ itself. That floored me. There are so many things that could be done, saying that the people who oppose are so opposed, if I were in government I wouldn’t want to go head to head with them.

People do a good line in talking about it, especially online

How many have made changes, particularly those that cost?

Ikeepmybumcheekshidden · Today 15:06

What I will say though, is that I don't think that even if we, as a tiny island, completely stopped existing & therefore no longer polluted the earth, that it would make even the tiniest bit of difference to climate compared to the rest of the world and all the massive continents. We are tiny

I am not sure this is true. If we did all
die and the whole island returned to nature it would become a massive carbon capture. I am not suggesting we all top ourselves. Just interesting to question that assumption with another theory as we don’t know for sure.

What I do know is that we account for a disproportionate amount of carbon globally. If you compare us to the bigger industrialised countries our carbon out put is smaller by comparison but compare us to the vast majority of countries and we are one of the worst offenders, especially compared to those countries that are taking the worst of it currently.

Our carbon addiction is literally killing people. I for one think it’s a moral
duty to reign our carbon use in.

It doesn't have to cost to make the biggest impact.

Not flying is cheaper than flying.

Agreed @Frabbits.

Flying is a huge one, but I've saved an astonishing amount of money from just not buying clothes and coffees for a few months.

Which is lucky because the effects of Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng's Mini Budget put our mortgage up a huge amount every month.

However I was planning to spend some of it on a grey water system that would use our bath and shower water to flush the loo. Saving us money on water bills.

The cost of not doing what's necessary on climate change as a country is higher than doing it according to every analysis I've read.

How do you feel about being a climate refugee @ShipSpace? How do you feel about being affected by rising sea levels floods, mudslides, wildfires, and heatwaves?

Do you want to try and save humanity some suffering or just shrug and tell children that it's all natural?

I don't know what causes planetary changes. If it's humans, how did the biggest change (the Ice Age) happen?

I can't believe the dinosaurs used too much power, heating, food etc..

Holiday threads on here are gung ho though

Even from those who say we must change on climate ones

Basically it’s easy to post much harder to do

The two things are not mutually exclusive.

Nobody denies that the planet will naturally go through periods of warming and cooling, but the fact is that humans have made a huge impact on the climate post industrial revolution, mostly detremental.

The point being that a lot of things aren't hard to do and save money rather than cost it.

Don't fly or drive so much. Don't buy so much pointless shit that has to travel half the way around the world. Don't put the heating on when it's still 18 degrees outside. Don't eat so much meat. Repair stuff rather than just chucking it away.

So much that feeds into the current climate crisis is down to waste and excess that cutting back on would save individuals potentially thousands of pounds as well as reducing harm to the environment.

People know this stuff. Whether they’ll do it is another thing though

It does save as you say but people are not always so keen to change those habits

Tricky in both directions, the cost of change and habits changing

It's issues like this that make me think democracy has outlived its usefulness and won't safeguard our survival. You can try talking, reasoning, referring to the measured and rational conclusions of experts who actually spend their lives analysing the detail, and have the expertise to do so. If there are still people left so moronic and pig headed that they can't hear even after all that, you basically have two options. Do what needs to be done, by whatever means necessary, and let the morons go fester in their own outrage. Or keep trying to find a rapprochement with them, and accept that the world will become almost unlivable in your children's lifetime.

EasternStandard

People do a good line in talking about it, especially online

How many have made changes, particularly those that cost?
Theres been a few threads over the last few months asking what people do and a lot said they’d do certain stuff (and a lot of things!) but couldn’t compromise on other things. But I don’t know that what we do, as well as what we don’t, and what other people are unwilling to do is enough unless we’re literally told it’s illegal to do x y or z. Also the government have to be willing to pay into public transport, insulating houses so people don’t need fuels etc