I still fancy RB

[WesterChick]

I've watched the documentary.

I still fancy RB.

I identify as a radical feminist.

I'm married with kids.

I think that if you are a heterosexual woman, you are either in denial on what men are or you accept what they are but find them irresistibly sexually attractive and so continue to be with them.

RB is simply what the vast majority of men would be like if they could get away with it.

Therefore - and because he's bloody good looking, funny and intelligent - and sexy - I will continue to fancy the pants off him.

I think women who are being all shocked and descusted at his behaviour need to consider what men are actually like. There's not some massive demarcation between him and other men.

I’ve seen similar very odd takes from some GC radical “feminists” on twitter which has definitely made me rethink who my views align with. Very strange to claim you’re a feminist and not have a problem with rape culture and his part in it

Is that you Laura?

He always looks to me like he needs a good wash and a hair cut.

Exactly. These are exactly my thoughts/ experiences too. So twisted.

Well I must say this is an excellent way of getting radical feminists a good kicking so if that was your aim, you've done an admirable job

This ^
He has always come across to me as not very intelligent. Not funny, dresses quirky but is pretty mainstream in his humour, and he fancies himself. Its a no from me.
Also 'my booky wook' ...🤢😒...unoriginal unintelligent.
Im not even going to go into a tirade about current situation. Its a trigger and hes a sh*t

What is the point of this thread? I would say this is one of those thoughts best kept to yourself...

The sticky hairspray, though. I mean, yes, he is an emotionally abusive manchild who only sees images of his own face even when he is looking directly at you; yes, he uses long words in the same way as Chris Eubank (with a wide-eyed frightened look about him to check that the words have made people think he is clever); and , yes, he makes graphic jokes about women choking on his penis. But, assuming you are able to set aside the artfully disarranged narcissism that is inside his head, you'd still have to wipe yourself clean every time you touched its outside.

So, OP, how do you square that circle on a personal level? Knowing what men are, as you put it, and still fancying them?

You have kind of answered your own question here OP.

Yes lots of men rape and think they can get away with it and more probably would given the chance.

My view is that this whole RB thing is part of a much bigger picture in the fight towards women being safer and not being raped.

This is (hopefully) the tip of the iceberg with regards to exposing the narcissistic predatory men and how they treat women.

You, as a woman need to stand by that thought that women should not be raped and thrown aside.

I hope you don't have children with your views. If you have sons, teach them how to properly treat women, if you have daughters teach them not to take shit from anyone.

So, OP, how do you square that circle on a personal level? Knowing what men are, as you put it, and still fancying them?

This. Very good question.

Well done op; managing to minimise the experience of victims, and dilute an important story to the fact that you still fancy him - good work

Well, if a rapist Charles Manson lookalike floats your boat go for it.
The fact that you feel strongly enough to broadcast the fact is puzzling.

Or daughters!!

Loads of men do it and get away with it every single day, usually apologising afterwards like he did. I can't actually believe none of you have experienced this.

Of course loads of us have experienced this. It’s your assertions that 1. Most men would do this if they could and especially 2. That him being a rapist is therefore not a reason to go off a man as it’s just par for the course, that are so horrible and make you a rape apologist.

Your views sound like you have succumbed to the patriarchy. Don't give up the fight OP. The sisterhood generally find him unattractive and wouldn't - given the opportunity.

I'd imagine she doesn't and that's the point of the thread, to discuss something she finds hugely conflicting. Not all circles can be squared because most of us find we are at times at odds with the values we would like to live by and the things we want to do. Which is why good people are comfortable being more wealthy than they ever need to be knowing that others can't feed their children for example.
We deploy various tools of cognitive dissonance, denial, excuses, willful blindness to enable us to come to terms with the things we want to do but know we shouldn't.
I'm not saying I agree with the OP on this particular 4 sided circle, but as a general principle I think this is what people do.

I've never fancied him tbh. Don't find him funny and he always looks filthy.

Plus I don't particularly fancy ex-addicts.

Despite all of these disgraceful allegations (I'm not minimising them).....

I have always wondered how anyone could find him attractive, he's bloody awful, annoying voice, straggly hair, smarmy, doesn't look clean or well presented 🤢. Contemplating whether a night with Boris Johnson would be preferable 🤪.

This

I agree. Sleaze personified.

I don't think OP finds him attractive because of what he's done, but despite it.

He is charismatic- he'd need to be. In a way he's the ultimate pick up artist.

It's disgusting rapey shit and he turns my stomach.

I do wonder whether our reptilian brain- the deepest least conscious and self aware part of us- is attracted to something about him.

Most of us also have an equally alert reptilian self defence mechanism, assuming we had loving upbringing.

And I agree that he's unusual in his ability to access women, not his desires.

I fancy men based on personality more than looks. I have never fancied Russell Brand. He's a clever bloke but I do not like his personality, he's arrogant and I don't find him physically attractive either honestly, his hair looks greasy and he looks unwashed.

And I think it's an interesting area to think about. It would be helpful to analyse why men like him succeed. What is it about them that leads some women to respond despite their rational brain warning them off.

@WesterChick maybe repost in a more objective 'why does this happen' kind of way. Your OP sounds a bit admiring, which is why people are horrified!