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I still fancy RB

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WesterChick · 19/09/2023 23:16

I've watched the documentary.

I still fancy RB.

I identify as a radical feminist.

I'm married with kids.

I think that if you are a heterosexual woman, you are either in denial on what men are or you accept what they are but find them irresistibly sexually attractive and so continue to be with them.

RB is simply what the vast majority of men would be like if they could get away with it.

Therefore - and because he's bloody good looking, funny and intelligent - and sexy - I will continue to fancy the pants off him.

I think women who are being all shocked and descusted at his behaviour need to consider what men are actually like. There's not some massive demarcation between him and other men.

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Sakura7 · 20/09/2023 22:49

You're a walking alt-right bingo card OP.

Zonder · 20/09/2023 23:02

TheLongGloriesOfTheWinterMoon · 20/09/2023 10:07

Your thread yesterday about you still fancying RB had the best deletion message I've ever seen on Mumsnet.

You've not quite taken to heart what HQ said, have you?

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I'm dying to know what it was!

GabriellaMontez · 20/09/2023 23:10

bloody good looking

If RB is what you perceive to be attractive ... maybe that goes with the personality traits you find attractive.

Ilinaya · 21/09/2023 00:07

Clymene · 20/09/2023 22:11

No, we believe women. Not men.

I'm really sick of reading your endless rape apologising. You sicken me

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I can't see any rape apologising anywhere in that post.
Rather than 'believe women, not men' how about we treat people equally, believe some women and some men depending on the situation presented to us. Wouldn't that be radical!

bemorebernard · 21/09/2023 00:15

I think freedom of speech is really important and used to be easy on mn , hq have posted on this thread to say they're letting it stand as the op is a long standing poster .

I really feel that's more in the spirit of mn . We can all agree to disagree .

DirectionToPerfection · 21/09/2023 00:45

Ilinaya · 21/09/2023 00:07

I can't see any rape apologising anywhere in that post.
Rather than 'believe women, not men' how about we treat people equally, believe some women and some men depending on the situation presented to us. Wouldn't that be radical!

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Anyone who believes Russell Brand is thick as mince and easily manipulated.

RantyAnty · 21/09/2023 00:55

HeatherMoores · 20/09/2023 22:02

A lot of this fancying is because he’s a celebrity. If he wasn’t famous he would just be a skanky sex and drug addict who mistreats women.

So true!

jonnyjanetkeogh · 21/09/2023 00:55

Is this thread really still going? MN admin have made a weird choice here in keeping it up.

spookehtooth · 21/09/2023 01:09

Most men? Who knows, I can only speak for myself. I've had plenty chances to take advantage of women, oftentimes both drunk which is apparently a great excuse. The thought turns my stomach however much l fancied any of them, and I definitely did some of them. Even to be suspected would be shameful. If that makes me boring, or a woman not fancy me, that's fine with me

SuperNewMe · 21/09/2023 01:27

I was with you until your second line.
Ewwwwww

SuperNewMe · 21/09/2023 02:12

@ZenNudist

That Vladimir Putin is a bit of alright. Have you seen him with his top off riding a horse?

😁

Nemesias · 21/09/2023 06:18

Messyhair321 · 20/09/2023 21:55

That isn't evidence, that's an apology, could be related to the condom non use. That's actually what I thought when I saw the documentary.
None of us know. Let's not pretend.
It's just getting irritating that people think this is big news. It isn't. It's just opinions & people getting excited about other people's lives.
The sad fact is that no-one involved in the investigation or who have already decided what happened really cares about the truth, just their own voice. It's not helpful & it heals nothing. Just a sad reflection on an ugly part of our culture. Is the media

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What word could we use to describe it when someone only consents to protected sex but the man takes the condom off anyway?

tough question for a rape apologist I imagine

Ilinaya · 21/09/2023 07:34

DirectionToPerfection · 21/09/2023 00:45

Anyone who believes Russell Brand is thick as mince and easily manipulated.

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I think you come across as gullible and closed minded.
You don't think out of over 2000 women that there is a possibility that a handful might have an axe to grind? I don't think anyone here has said they believe Russell Brand, just that they are not 100% sure, but keep pretending that if it makes you feel superior.

Poptones · 21/09/2023 07:36

Ilinaya · 20/09/2023 20:23

OP me too.

The shock on this thread is ridiculous. He had women throwing themselves at him for so many years, he was openly crude and offensive and sex obsessed, yet he still had women flocking, he is clearly attractive to many people.
Aside from the rape allegations which are yet to be proved and he vehemently denies, everything else about him was in the public domain already. I don't feel shocked by any of it.

I don't find Russell Brand attractive. Never have. Reminds me of a close female friend and I'm heterosexual.
I can very much see why people would fancy him, though.
I think though what you're saying is that there is doubt about these claims so why shouldn't OP still fancy him whereas OP is saying that he definitely IS a nasty vile human she still fancies.

To be honest, I do find him sleazy - especially the 16 yr old relationship - but I'm not going to cast him as an actual rapist because of it.

That's why I keep asking OP if she would fancy him still if he went out and held strangers at knife point and raped them. I think that would put her off him.

Poptones · 21/09/2023 07:42

Nanny0gg · 20/09/2023 21:49

He is not a patch on David Essex!
David was far more 'clean cut' pirate. Not grubby.

And will someone explain his humour? Because I don't think he's in the least bit 'witty'

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I agree nothing like the gorgeous Mr Essex. Brand's a boy, Essex is a man.

IClaudine · 21/09/2023 08:21

You don't think out of over 2000 women that there is a possibility that a handful might have an axe to grind?

Jesus. No wonder women are reluctant to report rape. Why do you think the woman who was raped went to a to rape crisis centre and had months of therapy? Because she had an axe to grind?

IClaudine · 21/09/2023 08:26

Michael Douglas is a recovered sex addict who reportedly had sex with thousands of women. No rape or sexual assault accusations have been made against him afaik? No axes to grind.

Poptones · 21/09/2023 08:30

IClaudine · 21/09/2023 08:21

You don't think out of over 2000 women that there is a possibility that a handful might have an axe to grind?

Jesus. No wonder women are reluctant to report rape. Why do you think the woman who was raped went to a to rape crisis centre and had months of therapy? Because she had an axe to grind?

The problem is that if Brand has slept with 2000 women then he is an extremely rare individual and cannot reasonably be compared to other men.

I do think that it is very much possible that this woman had an axe to grind considering none of the other two thousand have made the allegation.

Then again, may be he raped plenty more women but none have came forward. Yet.

If however it is true that it is just her that he raped it seems unlikely that it is just her and nobody else.

I think this is a fair comment.

IClaudine · 21/09/2023 08:34

IClaudine · 21/09/2023 08:26

Michael Douglas is a recovered sex addict who reportedly had sex with thousands of women. No rape or sexual assault accusations have been made against him afaik? No axes to grind.

To add to above: I found MD was accused of sexual harassment. Which is bad. But nothing else.

IClaudine · 21/09/2023 08:35

If however it is true that it is just her that he raped it seems unlikely that it is just her and nobody else

He allegedly orally raped the 16 year old.

Nemesias · 21/09/2023 08:51

Poptones · 21/09/2023 08:30

The problem is that if Brand has slept with 2000 women then he is an extremely rare individual and cannot reasonably be compared to other men.

I do think that it is very much possible that this woman had an axe to grind considering none of the other two thousand have made the allegation.

Then again, may be he raped plenty more women but none have came forward. Yet.

If however it is true that it is just her that he raped it seems unlikely that it is just her and nobody else.

I think this is a fair comment.

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At least one more has reportedly come forward

Ilinaya · 21/09/2023 09:02

bemorebernard · 21/09/2023 00:15

I think freedom of speech is really important and used to be easy on mn , hq have posted on this thread to say they're letting it stand as the op is a long standing poster .

I really feel that's more in the spirit of mn . We can all agree to disagree .

100% this!

Poptones · 21/09/2023 09:03

Nemesias · 21/09/2023 08:51

At least one more has reportedly come forward

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OK. May be more will come forward. In fact, they often do.
All I'm saying is that if he slept with 2000 women it seems unlikely that he only raped one of them and if the other 1999 have not a bad word to say about him, I would not believe the one accuser.

Just wait and see I guess. Open mind and all that.

Ilinaya · 21/09/2023 09:17

IClaudine · 21/09/2023 08:21

You don't think out of over 2000 women that there is a possibility that a handful might have an axe to grind?

Jesus. No wonder women are reluctant to report rape. Why do you think the woman who was raped went to a to rape crisis centre and had months of therapy? Because she had an axe to grind?

Look, I'm not saying he definitely didn't do it, I'm saying I don't know for sure.
She could have gone to a crisis centre because she wanted to get tested, we don't know exactly what therapy she had after, or the details of that.

I have been on a jury before for 6 individuals accused of a crime (not rape). When the CPS presented the case I thought to myself, well they are clearly guilty, might as well be done with it and save ourselves a two week trial.
At the end of the two weeks every single one of us in the jury agreed they were all likely innocent, once we were presented with the other side of the story. Cases can be incredibly complex.

I have a friend whose sister had a brief relationship with Russell brand, and struggles to believe the allegations.
There are women who have come forward and said it's not the Russell brand they knew, and many others that are probably scared to speak in defense of him, in case they too are cancelled. It doesn't mean he DIDN'T do it, but just that we don't know.
Also, the behaviour that everyone finds so repulsive, the laddishness, crudeness, inappropriate jokes etc were all accepted at the time, they were what made him famous, it was his persona. It's not ok to look back 20 years later and say 'we don't accept that' it's hypocritical, the media made huge sums of money out of him by allowing him to be that way and putting him in the mainstream for everyone to see. Obviously the rape allegations are a separate issue, and very serious, but the media are using his comedy and his other behaviours and comments to enhance the story, to produce shock in the viewers, to make more money. Behaviour that they themselves allowed and PUT ON THE TELE at the time!

Inthebitterend · 21/09/2023 09:25

... oh no.