I still fancy RB

[WesterChick]

I've watched the documentary.

I still fancy RB.

I identify as a radical feminist.

I'm married with kids.

I think that if you are a heterosexual woman, you are either in denial on what men are or you accept what they are but find them irresistibly sexually attractive and so continue to be with them.

RB is simply what the vast majority of men would be like if they could get away with it.

Therefore - and because he's bloody good looking, funny and intelligent - and sexy - I will continue to fancy the pants off him.

I think women who are being all shocked and descusted at his behaviour need to consider what men are actually like. There's not some massive demarcation between him and other men.

Do you think all rapists and abusers rape and abuse every single person they ever met?

There's been countless tales of abusers having people say, "well I didn't know them to be like that."

Yes, of course you didn't. Because most abuse and rape happens behind closed doors, and because of the attitudes I've been reading in droves since this broke, it's no wonder women do not come forward and report it.

Everyone thinks there's a bucket load of money in it for women to come forward and say a celebrity raped them and it's absolutely absurd. All they get is more trauma, more abuse, more vitriol. There is nothing in it for women to say they've been raped or abused by a celebrity, other than the slim chance of justice. I am not surprised many do not come forward. It must only ruin their lives even more to an extent.

No they don't, however, if the figure is as large as two thousand women and only one accuses him of rape you must have an open mind as why did he just treat one abnormally?
That said, if more allegations come forward, I'll reassess.

Brand is a very unusual individual to be so promiscuous.

Abominably not abnormally.

I'll add that when men only have a few relationships it's very plausible that he treats one woman decently and not another.

No, I don't have to have an open mind about sexual assault. I believe 1 woman in a sea of many. He could have 2000 accusations and people would still call them liars, because the default is to not believe victims. That's why so many don't come forward.

A man can have 100 relationships in his life and still only abuse one of them. A man can have 2000 sexual partners and still only rape one of them. It still makes him an abuser. It still makes him a rapist.

I'm going to have to disagree with you, if the other 1999* say he treated them well, then the weight of probability suggests to me he is not a rapist.

Sorry but it does.

*Obviously it's unlikely that all his sexual partners will come forward in support. I get that.

So if it was proven that that one person had actually been raped, and it had been proven that the other 1999 hadn't, he still wouldn't class as a rapist to you?

So you automatically believe someone, having not heard the other side of the story, not even knowing their name or their background?
Presumably if you have sons, or a husband or a father or any other male figure in your life that you love, I'm sure you'd hope that they would be given a chance to hear their side of the story.
There can be many reasons for a false allegations of rape. I don't want to go into Depp and Heard in depth as there are a thousand threads on it already, but if you only heard her side of the story, you would 100% believe she was raped.
Then you hear video tapes of her taunting him, threatening him, cackling in his face, telling him noone will believe he is a victim of DV, admitting she hit him and telling him to man up and take it like a real man, and (whether you ultimately are on her side or his), suddenly it's not as easy to know for sure.

The thing is that abusive behaviour by men is so ingrained in society and we are conditioned to accept it from birth as women that there could be any number of women who found his behaviour uncomfortable for want of a better word. If you can’t define that into a criminal act then why would you come forward - you can’t prove how he made you feel. It builds a pattern of behaviour and it’s all relevant to these allegations. Like all these female presenters coming out saying the uncomfortable encounters they had with him being an utter sleazeball are being brushed off. Didn’t hold you down and rape you did he? Shut up then. Nothing happened. It doesn’t mean anything. You’re all out for money and fame (despite being anonymous). That attitude is really pissing me off. Instead of brushing it off listen to what each woman has to say about him. Think about it critically instead of being utterly determined to exonerate him

One incident of rape makes him a rapist. What the fuck am I reading honestly

Also that is utterly untrue that if there was 2000 accusations people wouldn't believe it. People definitely would, look at Jimmy Savile, there is absolutely no doubt he was a vile rapist.
Brand has only 4 accusers (possibly one more but we don't know about that yet), and only one accusing him of actual rape, one of those 4 said he stopped when she said no. This is after a 4 year investigation where the media phoned everyone they could possibly find that has an encounter with him, hoping beyond hope to get stories to publish to accelerate their own careers.
It would have cost a fortune to investigate, they NEED to make something of it. It is so unbelievably biased, that's why he needs a fair trial!

If it is proven then yes I would believe her but until then I find myself thinking well why just the one accusation?

As it stands I have an open mind. That's subject to change.

I'm not being deliberately provocative but I think I'm not being unreasonable.

If he really is a rapist, it goes without saying more victims need to come forward. I'm not saying that's easy for them though. I understand that that would be difficult.

is after a 4 year investigation where the media phoned everyone they could possibly find that has an encounter with him, hoping beyond hope to get stories to publish to accelerate their own careers.
It would have cost a fortune to investigate, they NEED to make something of it. It is so unbelievably biased, that's why he needs a fair trial!

Of course he needs a fair trial. Everyone does when accused.

But it is equally biased and closed minded to say that the journalists were

hoping beyond hope to get stories to publish to accelerate their own careers.

Many criminals have been exposed via investigative journalism. I'm thankful it's allowed in this country.

If you'd believe 2000, why don't you believe 4?

I 10000% agree. When it comes to women and their experience with men like Brand, people are so quick to write them off and tell them to lighten up, get over it, it's just a joke.

Then something like this happens and people are coming forward with more than just "he made me uncomfortable" and it's still not enough. People will never come forward with the attitude that so many have towards victims. It's horrendous.

The fact that people are so desperate to disparage his victims and argue for this man is disgusting. He can have a fair trial in court, but in my mind, in my opinion, I can think whatever I want, and I think he's a vile human being who hurts women and doesn't care. I think he's a misogynistic pig. I think he's a fantasist, a conspiracy-pushing idiot. And I think it's so sad that in 2023 people are still looking for ways to blame his victims and put him on a pedestal. And for what? You'd think he was the second coming going by how some defend him on social media.

I'm sorry but it's naive to believe that a reporter investigating Russell Brand won't hope to get a big scoop. You don't start an investigation hoping to find nothing.

I'm sorry but it's naive to believe that a reporter investigating Russell Brand won't hope to get a big scoop. You don't start an investigation hoping to find nothing.

Hoping for a big scoop and thinking you are onto something that exposes a predatory individual and a system that supports it, It's nis not mutually exclusive.

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It's more naive to think it's been done " just to accelerate a career "

And investigations don't start from nothing.

A journalist ( I know some are shit ) investigated from a point of hearing allegations and finding out if they are true.

And of course they want a scoop. Why not?
The scoop is that it's RB.

You are just being deliberately argumentative. Maybe because out of 2000 people it is statistically likely that at least some of those would be unreliable witnesses.
And only one has actually accused him of rape.

Yes but it's still biased to start an investigation hoping to find something isnt it?
Of course it is! That's why in court BOTH sides are entitled to a lawyer.

I didn't say it was done "just to accelerate a career' FFS. I said that once a reporter is on the case, then they will be desperately hoping to find something, because their career does depend on writing exciting stories that sell papers and put bums on seats.

Yes but it's still biased to start an investigation hoping to find something isnt it?
Of course it is! That's why in court BOTH sides are entitled to a lawyer.

You have no idea if the 'hoped' to find anything. They hear allegations/rumours and they try to substantiate what's going on.

Undoubtedly RB deserves a fair trial like everyone else. And a media investigation IS NOT that.

But to airily dismiss it as "journalists furthering their careers " is nonsense.

IF the alleged claims turn out to be true, through the correct channels, it won't do the journalists any harm no doubt. Like the 2 guys from The Washington Post/Watergate Scandal etc

I'm not saying the fallout is as important or not but you know what I mean.

The thing I find very concerning about all this is that an MP has written to Rumble asking them to stop him monetising his videos on their platform.
He's already been banned on YouTube, they are trying to get him cancelled everywhere now.
His videos have nothing to do with any of these claims, none of them are misogynistic or in any way associated with his previous reprehensible antics.
Yet the government want him silenced everywhere. I find it really creepy and I am absolutely not a conspiracy theorist, and I don't watch his regular content.

Someone needs to post the graphic for @Ilinaya showing how few rapes are reported (how many fewer are prosecuted, fewer still convicted) so they can see that out of 2000 women, a very small number would come forward with a rape or sexual assault allegation compared to how many had suffered an attack.

It's not like journalists have contacted all 2000 women (or however many there are!) who have ever slept with Russell Brand and 1999 have 'not had a bad word to say about him'. In addition to the rape allegation, three other women in the documentary accused him of sexual assault - also oral rape even of that's not the phrase the victim used. At least one more woman has come forward, more may follow. But to assume that silence means that none of the other 1995 women had a problem is not reflective of reality. Most victims stay silent. Hopefully now more will feel supported and empowered to speak - but even if they don't, that's not the same as if they all spoke up to say they were never assaulted or coerced. A lack of accusations isn't the same as active endorsement - we don't know what the women who haven't spoken did or didn't experience.

You'd think he was the second coming going by how some defend him on social media

And so does he, given the tik tok he released.

@Ilinaya he is still on YouTube. He has not been banned.