to be fed up with people claiming RB can't have been a rapist because women were throwing themselves at him?

[Greensleeves]

It's such fundamentally flawed thinking. Rapists don't rape because they can't get sex any other way. That's what incels would have us believe - that rape happens because women are frigid meanies and drive men to desperation - but it's arrant nonsense.

Rapists rape because they like it. They enjoy our fear, our powerlessness, the struggling and tears and the feeling of total dominance and control. Often normal consensual sex doesn't hit the spot for them no matter how much of it is available. Rape really isn't that closely related to consensual sex. It's much more like beating the shit out of someone, or verbally abusing someone until they're a quivering mess. It's an act of violence, it's about power, and it absolutely isn't something only sex-starved desperate men do.

Apologies, I quoted the wrong poster - I meant to reply to @DontBeBitterGlitter2023

I think part of the problem was that so many women were throwing themselves at him, he didn’t believe any woman would have the temerity to say no, or the ungratefulness to not enjoy any sex act he inflicted on them.

I actually fully believe him when he says he thought all acts were consensual - because he was blessing these women with the bounty of his cock, and who wouldn’t be grateful for that? He didn’t want to hear it when women said “no” to him, and just plowed straight on with what he wanted.

(which to be clear, is entirely a problem with his own entitlement and ego - he should have known damn well it wasn’t consensual, should not have been fucking a 16 year old regardless, and should have stopped the minute the victims said “no”).

I actually fully believe him when he says he thought all acts were consensual

He didn't say all acts were consensual, he said all his relationships were.

But how are you proposing to get the public onside @Superwooman ? It’s been explained time and again on this thread that what women wear doesn’t cause rape. So what is this rape- resistant/public pleasing/universally accepted to meet all modesty standards outfit? It is so damaging to perpetuate the myth that the burden of avoiding rape is on women. It’s on rapists, who are by and large men.

You actually fully believe that he thought a 16 year old kid was consenting, while she choked on his cock, in floods of tears and punching him as hard as she could to get him off so she could breathe?

Pull the other one. That particular assault is probably one he treasures; it has everything he craves. She was young, vulnerable, inexperienced, physically small and weak, literally fighting for survival in a state of pure terror. He's a monster.

Good point!

Reminds me of Benjamin Mendy though - who at least seemed to have gained some introspection during his trial (how genuine that was is impossible to say, of course - may all have been scripted by his lawyer).

He also knew she was a virgin and sexually inexperienced.
What he did to her is absolutely fking gross.

I think he didn’t care either way, because he thought he was god’s gift to women.

I am not defending him. I think he is a cunt, and should do jail time for it.

Thank you. I think what got to me the most was the amount of people saying these women are lying… when I’ve literally lived through that situation.

it’s coming back to the ‘nice guy’ thing as well, his friends and family (and anyone on the outside looking in I guess) would say he was wonderful… gorgeous looking, charismatic, he was a royal marine fighting for his country… yet it was even something he’d taunt me with - ‘no one will believe you, I’m a nice guy’

Apologies if this has been said, I haven't gone through the entire thread:

People still tend to think of rape as some Yorkshire Ripper type leaping out at women in dark alleyways. Generally, many still have a hard time with the idea that voluntarily spending time with someone doesn't entitle them to your body. No means no, even when it is said after previous consent, or after someone voluntarily got in a car or went to a house or flat.
The idea of 'asking for it' is still rife. Let's face it, it has been the prevalent view for so long, it's hard to dislodge. it's possible Brand himself believes all his encounters were consensual, purely because he wasn't accosting women in the aforementioned dark alleyways.

Society has a particularly hard time with the idea that a woman can apparently 'throw herself at a man', but still say no, and it should still be respected if she does. It's easy to get blinded by somebody famous making you feel special, only to discover you don't actually like what they do to you.

We women still need to understand our body is still OURS. We don't give up.our rights to it because we 'lead someone on' or because we accepted a lift home or an invitation to their dressing room or hotel room.

Good post Utterbunkum.

Fact is rape within marriage wasn't even a crime until the 1990s. Marital exemption was only overturned by the House of Lords in 1991.

Totally agree OP. It's so depressing. There's another post where the OP thinks it's all a conspiracy to cover up political scandals. Give. Me. Strength.

Agree., Some of the comments over the weekend have been disgusting.

@MaryMcCarthy shocking, isn't it? @Covidwoes some people for some reason, find convoluted conspiracy theories easier to.process than actual reality. Can't quite understand why Russel Brand being a rapist is so much harder to believe than the idea that this is to stop him speaking out against the government, or bury something else.

The idea that he was a threat to any establishment is laughable too.

Brand had his largest following and largest exposure by far in around 2015. He had the Leader of the Opposition going round to his house for an interview during a UK General Election campaign.

What we found out from that episode was that Brand wasn't credible.

He was seen as a bit of a joke from that point on. The fact he started courting alt-right and conspiracy audiences doesn't expand his reach, it restricts it.