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to wonder if a conversation is needed about "staggering" the age of consent

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Servalan · 18/09/2023 20:56

Apologies if there is already a thread dealing with this - I've looked but couldn't find anything.

I listened to Women's Hour earlier where "Alice" (the woman who was allegedly raped by Russell Brand at the age of 16) was being interviewed.

At the time, she was in a "relationship" with him - she was 16, he was 31. She was talking about the power imbalance, how she didn't have the tools to advocate for herself or really understand what was happening to her.

Now, obviously, forced oral sex is rape and is illegal.

What I'm wondering about is whether a consentual sexual relationship (which "Alice" thought she was in with Brand up until the rape) between a 31 and a 16 year old should be legal.

The ages of 16 and 17 are not seen as being an adult in the eyes of the law, yet the age of consent laws mean that a much older adult can have consentual sex with a 16 or 17 year old child.

Seeing conversations on here about age gap relationships where the youngest person is 16 or 17, there is disapproval and distaste expressed - so it's frowned upon but it's not illegal.

I come from a generation where at the age of 16, I had friends in relationships with adults in their late 20s and no one batted an eyelid, but I think it was (to use a cliche) "different times". Childline was founded when I was in my mid teens and before that, in my personal experience, people didn't really talk about child abuse much - it existed of course, but was swept under the carpet. Over the years I have seen a massive shift in how the nuances and power balances in this type of age gap relationship are discussed.

Now I have a 17 year old DD I see things VERY differently to how I did when I was younger. I think a lot of us do.

The reason I'm wondering about a "staggered" age of consent is that it is normal and healthy for 16 year olds to be having sexual relationships with people within their peer group - but wondering if there is a way to safeguard from predatory older people.

OP posts:
SomeCatFromJapan · 19/09/2023 14:53

No one under 18 should be having sex with people over 18. Simple

What about a couple with a gap of just a couple of months where one turns 18 first?

CasperGutman · 19/09/2023 15:08

sadaboutmycat · 19/09/2023 12:19

I think it should be legal at 16 with someone under 18, and all others 18.

That doesn't quite work though, does it? If two young people aged 16 and 17 get into a sexual relationship, it doesn't make sense to say that's all fine until the older person's 18th birthday, when it suddenly becomes illegal.

AnIndianWoman · 19/09/2023 15:13

Garath · 18/09/2023 21:09

I think changing the age of consent to 18 would be good all round. It’s much easier to obey a binary - over 18 yes, under 18 no. A sliding scale will just get confusing and difficult to police. And maybe awareness training for teens about predators and age gaps.

This just means it will be ignored. India has some of the highest ages of consent in Asia but it still doesn’t stop underaged sex / marriage - all it does is make it go underground

ChimChimeny · 19/09/2023 15:58

Not sure if it has been mentioned (only skim read)but this was a question on You Gov today, along the lines of people above a certain age being prohibited from having sex with 16/17 year olds.
42% strongly support
27% somewhat support
10% somewhat oppose
6% strongly oppose

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