Russell Brand - everyone knew

[Mooshamoo]

I was watching the comedian Katherine Ryan say to Louis theroux that a British comedian is a sexual perpetrator. It is now believed that she was talking about Russell brand. She said on the video "when it eventually comes out about these type of people, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, this unmentionable British personality, it turns out that everyone knew. Everyone knew. ".

I was wondering did anyone on here on mumsnet know anything about Russell brand? A lot of us lived in London when her was living there. And many women on here would have been a similar age to Russell brand . I lived in London for a year and I saw Russell brand out on a night out once. That was the extent of it. I was wondering did anyone on here have any experience with him, or know about a friend/acquaintance that had any experiences with him.

These "investigative journos" can't be up to much... in the Daily Mail they are reporting his wife as heavily pregnant with 3rd child due in November. You only have to watch a recent video on his insta to know the baby boy has already been born!

It must be dreadful for his wife to be going through all this right now, with a newborn.

There are many people who strongly disapprove of promiscuity. It doesn't matter if people think he's sleazy and repulsive or that he's a serial shagger. It only matters if he raped or sexually assaulted someone.

I reckon that there is some revolting and highly incriminating footage out there and that he has messed with some women who are very well connected. He's got his comeuppance coming.

I believe them.

A non-close friend used to shag him in the 00s. It went on for what felt like ages. tbf she seemed ok with him/mentioned him positively. She stopped when she got a boyfriend. He used to pick her up from our house very late in an expensive car, never got out. I always found him gross

Actually, I think trial by media for someone who has profited from the media is justifiable. The sheer hypocrisy, from the victim's perspective and from a bystander's perspective, makes a bad situation worse, especially in circumstances (which I don't think apply to RB, but it's a general point) where the credibility of any accusations may be doubted because of that person's public persona (Harris, Saville).

Play with fire, prepare to get burned. I'm sure all these men in the public eye know this, too. They can't not.

With respect to animal abuse I was on a safer recruitment training course and looking at crimes that could appear on a DBS check and which ones would you be okay with when the person would be working with children (as not all crimes will disbar you). Animal abuse was a big no no, as there is a known link to abusing children

The messages have been published in full by The Times, including time stamps.

You’re clutching at straws

When Katherine said it there was a Reddit thread speculating and overwhelming majority said it was about Russell Brand

It's not the consensual sex with a 16 year old that's the issue. It's the coercion to lie to parents, the unconsented sexual assault and the holding down and spitting. That's the child abuse. It's the abuse of a child by an adult. It's the sexual abuse of a child by an adult.

@RockyBroadway What you are looking at isn't relative to this. You're looking at child abuse in the context of parental responsibility/child protection not rape and sexual assault hence the 4 categories of child abuse listed and the reference to being under the age of 18. I'm genuinely not trying to minimise the situation. I have significant experience in this field and the current allegations made against RB do not constitute child abuse in the eyes of the law. It is however a serious allegation of rape and sexual assault. It could be grooming depending upon the nuances of the relationship, how it began and how it continued during the time it lasted. It is certainly immoral. It is many things but what has been described doesn't constitute child abuse. I don't have anything more to add but as I said, the allegations and accounts are horrific - sensationalising and adding other accusations without basis will detract from the genuine and serious allegations which are those of rape and sexual assault. It could also compromise any ongoing criminal investigation now that it has been reported to the police.

I've said this on one of the other RB threads but it's fascinating (in a sick way) to read old Mumsnet threads on Russel Brand. There are dozens of posters who say that they would have liked to have sex with him and then dozens saying he comes across as a creep.

How did he get so powerful that the BBC was acting as a pimp and bringing him school girls though? Which is on the news tonight. This was all at the start of his career - so not an established character surely that he had that much sway at the bbc?

Well I work with child and adult victims of child sexual abuse and people convicted of those offences so Im just saying Ive not known of offences against over 16s to be categorised that way

And referring to 13 year olds, that normally is categorised as a child sex offender (offender against children), so rape of a child.

Christ on a bike.

I was married to someone who vaginally and anally raped me. Before this we had consensual sex , I also had a child with him. No means no.

Just go to the police and what?

There are no rewards for reporting rape. Just perhaps a court case hanging over your head, if you are lucky. Can you really not see why somebody would choose not to go through that?

Because it had long been an open secret, eventually journalists found women who would speak, anonymously, and verified their stories. That may be all that ever happens.

I would say thats incredible but I suppose it isnt

I used to find him quick witted and entertaining, read his first book in two days. Then he brought out his second book and I bought it on Kindle and felt quite uneasy and troubled after the first two chapters and never finished it, there was something about it that felt "off". I was also repulsed by the Andrew Sachs stuff and found it repellant. Then he fell off my radar until he cropped up on my YouTube feed. I watched a couple of minutes and thought "what is this madness?" and consigned him to my mental dustbin of yet another bonkers "celeb". So I can't claim that I had him down as a predator but I totally believe the woman and I think the floodgates have been opened and I hope that justice will prevail. I always loathed Saville, I remember years and years ago my dad who worked in PR, got me and my sister tickets for Top of the Pops and my mum being "over my dead body, those horrible old men on there aren't going anywhere near my daughters". A friend of mine worked for the BBC at the time when warnings were given out about never being alone with Rolf Harris which is shocking, the pervert should have been reported and dismissed. As women we have all encountered sleazy, abusive, manipulative and entitled men, it has gone on since the beginning of time and has caused so much trauma, pain and suffering.

You need to do some reading, in this context it absolutely would be viewed as child abuse under the law. No sensationalism, fact, don't take my word for it, look it up.

No that's a graphic designed by the Times. In the original print article it said so in very tiny print. It does not mean that anything contained within the graphic is made up just that they haven't included everything which could easily have been done to protect Nadia's anonymity.

Please don't try and start a fight because my emotions haven't got me reaching for my pitchfork. I'm as disgusted as anyone else.

Hadn't heard his tour had been cancelled. All I heard was that he arrived at the venue last nigh to enthusiastic applause. Anyway, good!

Probably because you can be sued (or cancelled) for making allegations you can't prove.

Is this a joke? So it’s only rape if it was a ‘teacher or care worker it in some other direct position of responsibility or authority’. Bullshit. He was in a position of authority, the authority being he was an adult 30 year old man. Jesus wept.

In a country where rape is effectively decriminalised, ‘trial by media’ is women’s only chance of justice.

If the accusations don’t stand up, let him sue. That’s how the law works, and it’s becoming clear that he has used the threat of financial ruin to suppress all allegations for many, many years.

While we’re here, let’s have a little think about all the women whose assailants were not famous, and about whose rapes and assaults not even the papers care.

https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/caa/child-abuse/what-is-child-abuse/#:~:text=Child%20abuse%20is%20when%20anyone,abuse%2C%20sexual%20abuse%20and%20neglect.