Russell Brand - everyone knew

[Mooshamoo]

I was watching the comedian Katherine Ryan say to Louis theroux that a British comedian is a sexual perpetrator. It is now believed that she was talking about Russell brand. She said on the video "when it eventually comes out about these type of people, Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, this unmentionable British personality, it turns out that everyone knew. Everyone knew. ".

I was wondering did anyone on here on mumsnet know anything about Russell brand? A lot of us lived in London when her was living there. And many women on here would have been a similar age to Russell brand . I lived in London for a year and I saw Russell brand out on a night out once. That was the extent of it. I was wondering did anyone on here have any experience with him, or know about a friend/acquaintance that had any experiences with him.

Yes, of course she should have! Famously, men like this love being told to pack it in and reminded who's boss by their wives.

Oh of course, it's the Mother's fault.

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Brand has mentioned how threesomes don't work with another male unless he's bisexual. Because " nut brush"

https://www.digitalspy.com/showbiz/a216688/russell-brand-gives-threesome-advice/

I have no idea, I wasn't there.

His mother seems to have got divorced from his shit bag father very early on. Doesn't seem that the father was too interested until Brand became a teenager.

I don't think Brand is very unusual. I suspect he is repeating his own upbringing with his wife and children.

I was in a relationship as a 16yo with a man in his thirties. In my case he was my teacher, which makes it illegal, but I still am not sure it's child abuse as it would have been had I been six or seven. I think it diminishes the experiences of actual child abuse victims to claim that I was a CA victim. It was wrong and it was abuse but it wasn't child abuse.

But how did she let the situation continue? She is one of his parents, are his mother and father equally responsible, surely both of them have a duty of care to bring their child / children up with respect for others.

Brand's father apparently used to let him watch pornography as s child. Now that is grooming. And if he did it now it could be a life sentence.

Brand's mother had cancer many times. He lived with her relatives.

I did I met him. He made a pass at me which I was shocked at as I ain't no spring chicken but I laughed as am happily married. Tbh I thought he was sexy and good looking and probably would have been up for it if I'd been single. I get why so many women have been open to having sexual relations with him. I also remember thinking what a complete tart he was in relation to how I came to be speaking to him in the first place which I can't get into as if the other person involved is reading this they will know who i am. I find it depressing how a certain demographic is leaping out of the woodwork to immediately take his side and blame either the woman for lying or the government because they are trying to shut him up.

Brand the 16 year old. Old enough to consent all by himself without approval of his Mummy. That Brand.

Or the Brand who was a vulnerable impressionable 16 year old who was under the power and control of the influence of his father.

Yeah we get it.

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I used to work with a different celebrity who had their own predatory behaviour exposed in the press a few years ago.

We all knew what he was up to for years. But the thing is - there was no one to tell. The bosses at the media organisation gave zero fucks, as long as he was still pulling in the ratings. And the police wouldn't have been interested - what would I say, there's a famous man having sex with young women more than half his age? Back then it was the days of Bill and Mandy Wyman and when Chris Moyles was doing the countdown to Charlotte Church's 16th birthday on his Radio 1 show - when she would become 'legal'. The attitude was generally that even if he did cross a few lines, the girl ought to be chuffed that a celebrity was interested in her. At least now she's got a famous notch on her bedpost.

I don't think we're much further forward now than we were back then, is the problem. Hosts at award shows make jokes about the ages of Leonardo Di Caprio's girlfriends and everyone in the room laughs along like it's not utterly gross. Hugh Hefner was celebrated for being a Playboy and it was all fun and games, until his recent death, when the girls involved could finally talk about the rapes they endured.

The whole system and the society and culture it feeds, is set up to protect the predator and enable him.

Well done to the victims for finally speaking up when they couldn't have been confident that anyone would even listen.

Brand had been labelled a rapist by female comedians, on stage, in front of audiences, for at least three or four years. I've seen it first hand. Stand-ups openly spoke about Brand raping a friend and colleague of theirs.

And that's not one of the cases discussed on Dispatches, to my knowledge.

It finally got too big for the media to keep ignoring.

You really do sound like a bot.

No logic whatsoever.

Worse than that, his dad used to pay for sex workers for him. And have sex with them in the same room. When he was 16 he lost his virginity to an Asian call girl.

If that doesn't leave a guy with a fucked up views on sex, I don't know what does.

I’ve heard it said that narcissists have a certain charismatic power, whether they’re famous or not, so can understand why so many women wanted to sleep with him, despite knowing how promiscuous he was.

The only thing I struggle to get my head around is the runner who he exposed himself to and asked to give him a blow job. That’s so grim and sleazy an act, the kind that you’d think would immediately give anyone the ick, let alone it being innappropriate and abusive. I struggle to understand how she still wanted to sleep with him afterwards (from her own testimony, it doesn’t sound like she was guilted into it).

You are still falling into the trap of rape being about sex, with the logical conclusion being men who have sex don't need to rape.

Whereas the reality is rape is about sexual entitlement and power, so men who want sex from someone will take it, regardless of how much sex they are getting elsewhere.

Why?
There is plenty of research that "sex addicts" get turned on by non consensual behaviour.

Why do you think someone who is prepared to use women for sex in other ways would draw the line at exploiting them to do sexual acts they otherwise wouldn't? AKA rape

Just think back to how he objectified Andrew Sach's granddaughter on national radio, even before the voicemail messages. Talking in graphic detail about someone you've had sex with on national radio is positively sociopathic.

That's how he thinks about women.

From the CPA

“Age - Anyone under 18 is defined as a child or young person. This status and entitlement to services or protection is not changed even if a child or young person is 16 and is living independently, is in further education, is a member of the armed forces, is in hospital or in custody in the secure estate.

Abuse - This is a form of maltreatment of a child or young person. Someone may abuse or neglect a child or young person by inflicting harm, or by failing to prevent harm. Children or young people may be abused in a family, or in an institutional or community setting by those known to them or, more rarely, by others (e.g. via the internet). They may be abused by an adult or adults, or another child or young person or children or young people. Separate guidelines are available for youths in the legal guidance Youth Offenders.”

I think maybe you are distinguishing between sexual abuse of very young children and teenagers. However child abuse covers all abuse of a child.

I suspect Brand is a raging homophobe to boot.

Fame does weird things to people. Maybe she felt flattered that this good-looking (debatable, but maybe true if your thing is a twitchy bag of bones wrapped in skin), famous, talented (again, debatable) was interested in her, a lowly runner.

Maybe he had buttered her up with some classic techniques like lots of eye contact, singling her out for praise or attention, learning her name out of all the runners (not a given in TV, especially amongst the talent).

Maybe she was self-conscious, carried self-doubt or low self-esteem. Maybe she'd had a recent breakup or suffered a loss that meant she craved attention.

Maybe he played the power game where he does something horrific, but then apologises and makes himself appear vulnerable and flawed. That kind of 'vulnerability', faux or not, can be intoxicating: see also all the women who believe they can change / save / help dickhead playboys.

There's also the culture at the time - don't forget women were being told it was ok to be promiscuous, to enjoy no strings sex, no such thing as 'slut v stud' anymore. When you are immersed in a culture that tells you it's all bantz, innit, it's hard to know where the line is, let alone when someone in a powerful position has crossed it.

I'm sure he popped it out with a cheeky smile on his face and asked her in such a way as it could be brushed off as a joke. So perhaps she's already unsure how to take him - it was just a joke, right? It wasn't creepy? He's just (openly) a funny sex pest, right? You know, when sex pest was almost a term of endearment. Everyone else thinks his jokes about chokey BJs are megalolz, right? So maybe I'm a prude?

I can completely understand being a young woman in an extremely male dominated, 'banter' laced industry and ending up in a situation where you find the attention of the 'hot' male star intoxicating.

It's kind of how predators predate.

We need to move away from the notion of rapists being angry, aggressive men in dark alleys and realise many of them are nice to their mums and top blokes to their friends.

I am now going to assume that @JustMyOpinion25 is a troll and ignore his misogyny.

In respect of everyone knew, I wonder just how much RB knew about this investigation and for how long.

For someone so litigious he must have been aware of a groundswell of complaints against him and I can't believe his lifestyle change from mainstream media celebrity sex sleezeking to devoted husband and social media wellness/truth conspiracy theory "guru" was accidental.

While I’m not surprised, I’ve lived in London for more than 20 years and don’t think we’ve ever crossed paths - or have anyone in common - so I didn’t “know”, but I’m not even remotely shocked. (I do cross circles with media types quite a lot too.)

Well given that in 2018 Katherine Ryan was trying to roast him on being a sexual predator for a TV show, I am fairly sure he may have had a bit of an inkling the game would be up eventually.