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AIBU?

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To believe that 'simple' theft will have the as bad an impact on the world as climate change?

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SeeingClearlyNow · 16/09/2023 09:09

The news is bad. Some is worse than others but it's pretty awful out there. That's a given.

What has really upset me this morning is an article about shoplifting which is reaching epic proportions. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/sep/15/its-organised-looting-uk-in-grip-of-a-shoplifting-epidemic-say-store-owners?

What I'm finding it difficult to understand is while I get that there is a rogue element of society who shoplift for profit there is a much larger group of people who buy the goods, knowing that they are stolen. This is supporting the criminal gang activity and encouraging more. And it gets worse and worse and worse.

I know that people justify theft of many forms as only being against big companies. What I am struggling with is the knowledge that it is all joined up. Not only is not every shop owned by big business but even if it is, at the end of the day the money lost will be clawed back from individuals. It's the same for 'fronting' on insurance, lying about your age or status to get a discount you are not eligible for or even fly tipping. We, the individuals suffer and always end up paying in some way at the end. We're all part of the same society.

So - my AIBU - Why don't we see this as a spiral into lawlessness similar in danger to climate change and, as a society, do something to change it? Something fundamental that starts with reinforcing social codes and stops passing blame and responsibility to the government or institutions like the police. Just like doing what we can to stop climate change we can all do our bit to support each other in reinforcing right and wrong and the basic values of society.
What's going wrong?

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beAsensible1 · 16/09/2023 12:59

a bigger theft is the fact the corporations are allowed to pay people so little that they on in work benefits.

the costs of basic goods are insane, the rise of homelessness and drug dependence is obvious.

i walked past 3 people smoking crack in the middle of the afternoon on the road

there is abject despair everywhere so no i don't give a shit about the overpriced boots stock or whoever else getting pinched.

people are hungry desperate and broke.

Greensleeves · 16/09/2023 13:05

User12334tt6899p · 16/09/2023 09:39

Why do people shoplift? Why do people buy stolen goods?
I'd say its because we've perpetuated a society that values money over human dignity. If the only measure of value is your bank balance why should people who have been shut out of opportunities to become rich care about a society that doesn't value them?

Absolutely this. It's a byproduct of capitalism. We live in a giant kleptocracy where financial acquisitiveness is the measure of success and poverty is effectively criminalised. Of course people steal 🤷🏻‍♀️

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