How bothered are you about Small Boats?

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I think the idea that people think Small Boats with illegal immigrants on them is a really pressing issue is made up by politicians to have something to campaign on. Am I right? Is this a pressing issue as far as you're concerned?

I'm not really talking about immigration/ asylum seekers in general, just the small boats everyone keeps mentioning. If you're worried about people dying in the channel I get that, but do you think people finding their way here illegally is a major issue for our country at the moment?

I think it's clear I don't but I will accept I'm wrong about this being a made up issue if the majority disagree with me.

If you want to vote YABU= this is one of my top ten concerns. YANBU = I don't think it's a top ten issue for the country.

@Twillow I totally agree, but save your breath. I tried to point out that we were obviously all on the same side wrt not wanting children, or ANYONE, to die alone in frigid waters due to heartless smugglers (even if we disagreed on other aspects of the situation), and the first direct reply I got started with, “We are not on the same side!”

Well if we can’t be on the same side about children dying, then I guess the Tory “STOP THE SMALL BOATS!” propaganda has worked just as well as they’d hoped. And of course, the same account that replied to me has shared nothing but propaganda articles, like these two:

HEADLINE: Labour Vows to take UK into EU Asylum Regime!
ACTUAL ARTICLE: Regime is a pretty loaded word, isn’t it? All it’s really saying: they’d rejoin the Dublin Agreement which allows the UK to send migrants back to the first European country they reached, versus having to deport them all the way home or find worthless but expensive solutions, like the Bibby Stockholm. THEN, IN THE SAME ARTICLE!!! It says businesses, like Jaguar, Vauxhall, etc, are asking for more trade with the EU, so they can make electric cars! Doesn’t sound like running away from any EU “regime” to me.

OTHER ARTICLE THEY SHARED SAYING IT WAS ‘NEWS’ RELEASED TODAY: Labour is hiding its true views on illegal immigration
ACTUAL ARTICLE: Well, it’s not a news article. It’s a ‘comment’ piece from the extremely conservative Telegraph. I can’t even read it because of a paywall but the tagline states, “many members deeply believe in the open borders ideology so beloved of the far Left.” So beloved? Sigh; does he include proof of that statement or just think he doesn’t need to because it’s a ‘comment’ piece? And since the Tories are already letting in 1.2 million people a year, plus all that ‘irregular immigration,’ so add another 200K maybe, they haven’t got a lot of room to talk. They’re doing a fine job of running open borders.

You just might die getting to them. Even as a child. And then some random Mumsnet user won’t even care about your death, due to personal politics. It’s kind of crap.

😂😂😂😂

If as a country of 60million people we are overwhelmed by the arrival of fewer economic migrants by small boats than the size of the country's largest village then I think as a country we have serious problems.

Under Labour MORE people will die in frigid waters that’s the issue.

Let’s forget the million refugees that were invited here then!!

Here you go, Jordan is no10 on the list

https://www.concern.org.uk/news/these-12-countries-hosted-most-refugees-2022

The government are quite happy with that.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1687901561282772992.html

I did read the article. There was no mention of Labour, it referred to Boris Johnson, in fact.

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For the avoidance of any further confusion, anyone has the right to claim asylum in the UK no matter what route they took to get to the UK and no matter whether or not they travelled through other countries to get here. It is all set out clearly in law.

Indeed - which makes it all the more annoying that Yvette Cooper and Stephen Kinnock keep lying about the Dublin Agreement and how 'easy' it was for the UK to send asylum seekers back to the 'first safe country' when we were in the EU. In fact, the UK was a net importer of asylum seekers under Dublin Rules - any returns agreement we make with the EU will be the same.

I’ll leave this here for those overwhelming concerned about the drain immigrants have on our country (extract below);

“Immigrants from outside the EU countries made a net fiscal contribution of about £5.2 billion, thus paying into the system about 3% more than they took out. In contrast, over the same period, natives made an overall negative fiscal contribution of £616.5 billion.”

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/economics/about-department/fiscal-effects-immigration-uk#:~:text=Immigrants%20from%20outside%20the%20EU,contribution%20of%20£616.5%20billion.

If they had enough money to support themselves and a profession that is needed they could apply down legal routes using points based system.

And in what way do you think we can avoid dealing with EU countries when discussing immigration? Do you think we've sailed off into the middle of the atlantic, or are we still surrounded by countries which are members of the EU?

And you think in a climate change crisis they are going to Jordan? There is nothing else for me too say..

These are not economic migrants on boats but highly educated students contributing! Professionals for heavens sake. Not gangsters

It was announced today. If you put this in google you can choose between The Guardian or Telegraph or whatever, it’s across the press

Keir Starmer has revealed that he would seek an EU-wide returns agreement for asylum seekers who come to Britain,

I meant if we were to have an open doors policy to economic migrants then this would undoubtedly lead to the country being overwhelmed. Do you think I'm wrong?

We seem to give those who come here illegally a better life than we do those who are our own

No we don't.

@ Okaaaay that is a 2014 article.

I completely agree with you.

'The people' are angry about what the media have told them to be angry about. Meanwhile, while we look in the direction we've been told to look, services that we all rely on are being decimated.

You don't do facts so I am not surprised you have nothing else to say

Any chance on those eye watering woke Labour policies?

Erm, well given the EU are fighting about it themselves! What kind of coordinated approach did you envisage in your fantasies?

You can't be refering to Ukranians, as they are not given refugee status by the government, so I presume you mean the 3.5million HKers that the UK government invited here. Happy to discuss that as a policy decision, but I am not sure of its relevance to the topic of this thread which as far as I can tell is small boat arrivals.

I posted it WAY back Duncin looks like you missed it again

That was a bit like saying the U.K. has a thriving economy - it doesn’t though it probably did have in 2011 which is where these stats are based.

No one seems to want to address the question of why people leave the safety of France to risk their lives to cross the Channel into the UK? Why? Why when they are already in a safe country, in fact they will have travelled through many safe countries before even arriving in france. So what's so good about the UK that it's worth drowning for?