How bothered are you about Small Boats?

[Spinet]

I think the idea that people think Small Boats with illegal immigrants on them is a really pressing issue is made up by politicians to have something to campaign on. Am I right? Is this a pressing issue as far as you're concerned?

I'm not really talking about immigration/ asylum seekers in general, just the small boats everyone keeps mentioning. If you're worried about people dying in the channel I get that, but do you think people finding their way here illegally is a major issue for our country at the moment?

I think it's clear I don't but I will accept I'm wrong about this being a made up issue if the majority disagree with me.

If you want to vote YABU= this is one of my top ten concerns. YANBU = I don't think it's a top ten issue for the country.

If economic migrants are just as deserving as refugees to rock up in any country they fancy then presumably you don't believe in border control at all?

I would also have to disagree that anyone who risks their life to arrive illegally in a country should be allowed in as well.

If I risked my life to stow away on a flight to Canada should I be allowed to settle in my dream home in the Rockies? I'm pretty sure I'd be sent back to the UK and prosecuted despite having family in Canada.

Oh there is always one! ‘We cant get a dentist, must be the immigrants’…’they get fab housing and free gyms, we have to pay’. The reason we dont get dentist appointments and hospital appointments is because a dozen years ago the wankers in this Tory government cut the number of training places for doctors, nurses and dentists. We have the worst shortages in modern history. Brexshit ensured we lost loads more medics along with pharmacists. Nearly every Tory MP has shares in private health and private medical insurance companies. Its not other poor people or immigrants causing our discomfort, its a load of wealthy Tories who are greedy fuckers who like having all the mobey and couldnt care a shit about those that have little, even Theresa May admitted a lot of Tories look down on the poor as sub human. As far as boat people go, Michelle Mone on her bloody yacht and people like her who took taxpayers millions supposedly in exchange for Covid equipment, but nothing she provided worked…she is still sailing around the Caribbean though, those are the boat people we should care about!

What THE FUCK has that to do with Labour. The Conservatives have been in power for THIRTEEN shitty little years.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/02/08/already-complicit-libya-migrant-abuse-eu-doubles-down-support

the reality is very ugly and I can’t believe anyone is going to support Keirs latest soon to be u turn.

Why don’t you try reading?

Labour are going to take us into a new EU deal.

The number of young men is concerning. And a large percentage is disappearing off into the underworld of crime/the black market/gangs.

Obviously individually most of these people are decent, but when you see large groups gathered in the town centre it is not great - especially when you have your teenage dd with you…

For the avoidance of any futher confusion, anyone has the right to claim asylum in the UK no matter what route they took to get to the UK and no matter whether or not they travelled through other countries to get here. It is all set out clearly in law.

https://levinslaw.co.uk/dinghies-in-the-channel-illegal-entrants-and-immigration-offences/

The USA are sending their Afghan refugees to the Philippines and Kosovo.

Well she did say ‘Labour deal with EU’. This thread is off the back of an announcement from Starmer about plans

Sept 2023
Calls for a British-style approach to processing asylum claims in non-European countries such as Rwanda are growing among EU members as official figures suggest that more than one million migrants will arrive in the bloc this year.

Statistics from the EU’s Agency for Asylum (EUAA), which includes Norway and Switzerland, show that 519,000 asylum applications were lodged in the first six months of this year, with a projected return to levels not seen since the crisis of 2015 and 2016.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/asylum-claims-european-union-1-million-j3q9q9xdg

June 2023
EU faces call to strike Rwanda-style deals. Eight member states want a similar ‘innovative’ approach to controlling immigration.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-faces-call-to-strike-rwanda-style-deals-2g6wjjbg6

YANBU - I don't see this as a top ten concern for the UK.

I don't want to see people drown in The Channel, I want to see the people smugglers caught and severely punished, I want people with a legitimate claim to asylum to be able to do so easily and quickly so they can become productive memebers of society.

@Lastchancechica they won't be able to stop them as they're coming due to push not pull factors. And it's only going to get worse with climate change making their homes inhabitable, wars, instability in vast regions of the world.

Only a tiny minority come to the UK, many more settle in Europe and countries like Jordan. The government want you to think they're all coming here to claim benefits and cause all our problems to create a smokescreen and scapegoats to hide their complete failure to invest our taxes in schools NHS police etc which would improve all our lives.

That's the truth of it if you'd care to do a little bit of research from reputable sources which doesn't include the daily mail or telegraph or the Sun.

How does a doctor or dentist in Syria or Afganistan take the SELT that they would need to have done before they have applied for the visa?

Yes pp seem to be missing the point entirely. This latest wheeze from Labour will be an unmitigated disaster in the red/blue wall areas. Not helped by David Lammy promising we will rejoin the Single Market. Maybe they are trying to lose?!
🤷🏼‍♀️

I had a Syrian student who put in application from a camp in Syria. His Mum, Dad and 3 siblings were all blown up except for him. His Uncle and Aunt were made homeless and they put in application for them, their 2 DC and nephew to come. They were all accepted. They were genuine refugees. By normally I mean not passing through numerous safe countries before risking lives on the small boat crossing and entering the UK illegally.

In the interests of factual accuracy the vast majority (over 75%) of those arriving in small boats are legal migrants. Last year the number of illegal migrants who arrived by small boats would not fill the largest village in the UK. It is not a big number, and massively dwarfed by the number of illegal visa overstayers, which the government would prefer us not to talk about.

There must be safer ways to flee France.
Towards Belgium, Germany, or Spain would probably be my choices if my family was in the same danger and as desperate.

I hate that people are so desperate. I’m upset at people dying to get here.

Frankly I can get more upset about some people already here....some Tory MPs for example.

Have you actually ever been to Jordan? Do you actually believe that’s where the migrants are all going? Particularly in a climate change context? 😂😂

Seriously!!!!

YANBU. We have far bigger issues to sort out like the millions of British people out of employment and living off the state. If given half a chance , these people desperately trying to get here would work any job available, unlike many British people.

Yes, I knew they weren't allowed to work, but what's the justification given by the government?

Given that the vast majority of those who arrive on small boats are given the right to remain in the UK on humanatarian grounds, anyone who suspects they are not refugees is wrong.

They may well get there first. Not sure if the pro EU posters would say see they can do it, or still be against

I guess they could stay in France or Italy or Switzerland. They are not forced to come here.