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to think that 4x4 drivers are the most selfish w@*&(*&s ever???

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redrobin · 03/03/2008 19:33

It makes my blood boil! They drive their big childcrushers whilst on the phone, they tailgate other smaller cars, they use enormous amounts of petrol, they block up roads, they look threatening...how can people choose to drive something like that? Do they have ha a selfish gene, do they think they are just better than other people so rules don't apply to them, or are they just thick?

(NOTE this is only about town drivers, i appreciate that they are useful in the countryside).

Sometimes, I think Jeremy Clarkson is winning.

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kayzisbroody · 04/03/2008 14:31

I dont drive but a 4x4 is no more offensive than a little vauxhall corsa.

A child can be killed by both if driven badly.

needmorecoffee · 04/03/2008 14:31

As someone said about Paris, they manage with kids/dogs etc in little cars without needing a 4 ton vehicle to go get a pint of milk.
While the french have less obesity than we do, its not that much that the UK needs wide cars.

Nicecupofwine · 04/03/2008 14:33

Actually RR you are quite right. Why would I want to be aquainted either? That really is shallow as you don't know the real me and why I would have to drive a 4x4 to the school gates, but I am being judged for it. Best off out of it.

redrobin · 04/03/2008 14:34

needcoffeee...maybe there are more great big 4x4s to accommodate more and more great big people!

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TheDuchessOfNorksBride · 04/03/2008 14:34

jazzanddh - now that's an interesting article.

It is often quoted on 4x4 threads that they kill or seriously injure X-percentage more people than other cars but whenever I've asked for the primary source, nobody has ever produced it. Although I think that's because I've been ignored rather than posters having made up the figures, but even so I'd have liked to have seen it for myself.

and Kewcumber, your ex-DP is an absolute disgrace and not fit to be on the pavement let alone the highway. (OK?!!)

needmorecoffee · 04/03/2008 14:35

and an update in the twat parked up behind me outside on the road (no drives here)
He said if I wanted to put my disabled child into my car I could drive it further down the road so I could open the back and fold down the ramp. Then he told me to fuck off, that he has a right to park anywhere, that he wouldn't live in my stupid street anyhow and that maybe I shouldn't have a disabled child if I was going to be so selfsih.
Then he drove off.
So according to that 4x4 owner, its ok to leave a 4 yo sitting in a wheelchair at the side of the road while I move my car then come back and fetch her to put her in, just so his fat little business man legs didn't have to walk an extra 2 metres if he'd parked further back.
He's probably gone off to park in a disabled bay somewhere too...

redrobin · 04/03/2008 14:36

argh! am screaming for you, coffee. that is OUTRAGEOUS. it addles my head that people can behave like that.

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inzidoodle · 04/03/2008 14:39

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Kewcumber · 04/03/2008 14:39

thank you DofNorksB - actually he should have TWAT tattoed on his forehead to avoid letting other poor unsuspecting women get involved with him.

SueBaroo · 04/03/2008 14:40

Have to say I think 'fat little legs' is a marvellous insult for someone like that.

Rhubarb · 04/03/2008 14:43

nicecupoftea - you see this is just it though. I've come onto this thread and defended someone whose point of view was being trashed. I also offered reasons as to why 4x4s are seen as wanky vehicles and why the drivers have the reputation that they do.

As far as I am aware, I don't think I've offered my opinion on the subject.

I've put forward links and stated facts. But I really don't think I've said how I feel about 4x4 drivers. That's just your paranoia.

redrobin · 04/03/2008 14:44

inzidoodle...my friends wouldn't buy a 4x4 because they live in the city, and....actually, do you know what? If you don't know by now why people don't want to drive 4 x 4s, i can't really be bothered going over it all again for you.

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lardylumps · 04/03/2008 14:46

needmorecoffee that is selfish and the man needs a lesson in manners.... Sadly I feel he would of reacted in the same way regardless of what vehicle he drives...

Rhubarb · 04/03/2008 14:46

inzi dear, we are judged all the time. By the clothes we wear, the house we live in, the religion we have, etc etc. If you don't want to stick out and be judged then you wouldn't walk down the street wearing Marilyn Manson t-shirts with a shaved head and bovver boots would you?

You driving a great big 4x4 is just shouting "LOOK AT ME" surely? If you didn't want to be judged on what you drive, surely you would choose to drive something less noticeable?

As an aside, what sort of a person would you say would wear the above attire? And what would you think of them if they passed you in the street?

redrobin · 04/03/2008 14:47

you are right lardy. he just sounds like an angry wee man.

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redadmiral · 04/03/2008 14:49

Wow. What a depressing thread. Would never have lumped ALL 4x4 drivers in the same category, but by God they're not showing that they are considerate and responsible people judging by some of the comments here.

jazzandh · 04/03/2008 14:59

Some of the 4x4 drivers may just be glad that they are well out of reach of the vitriol that is awash on this thread.

Scary people angrily driving around in their small cars, berating all the 4x4's who in the MAIN are minding their own business. Too busy shouting and cursing to concentrate on their own driving?

Perhaps that's why 4x4s are LESS likely to be involved in an accident......

inzidoodle · 04/03/2008 15:00

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AitchTwoOh · 04/03/2008 15:02

"Chelsea tractors" are far less likely to be involved in crashes than other cars because their drivers are safer, says a new study.

The study contrasts with claims by anti-4X4 campaigners, who say the vehicles are involved in a quarter more accidents than "ordinary" cars.

Today's study by the Transport Research Laboratory shows the collision rate for 4X4s is 30 per cent lower.

However pedestrians, motorcyclists and drivers of small cars are more seriously hurt when hit by large 4X4s. Small 4X4s are no more dangerous in an accident.

The study, obtained by the Standard, was commissioned by Transport for London.

Today the Institute of Advanced Motorists said the low collision rate was because 4X4s were often bought by drivers for transporting their families.

"One reason people buy sport utility vehicles [4x4s] is they think they will be safer," said Kevin Delaney, head of road safety of the IAM. "They are looking for a safe journey for themselves and their familiesand drive accordingly." The study draws a clear distinction between small and large cars. It says big 4X4s are "more dangerous" to drivers of small cars.

For pedestrians hit by a big 4X4 there's a 26 per cent chance of injury compared to a 22 per cent chance when hit by a small 4X4 and a 21 per cent chance when hit by a car.

Nigel Wonnacott, of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders, said: "Drivers in a 4X4 are higher up and react to hazards further down the road because they see them sooner. Around 70 per cent of them have active safety systems compared to up to 40 per cent of cars."

A TfL spokesperson said: "Our research shows large 4X4s are more likely to cause death or serious injury when involved in an accident."

okay, you can remove anything nigel wonnacott says because he is employed by the industry. i've seen him on tv programmes making this argument and it never holds water because it's what happens in an accident that is important. and that 70% figure refers to new cars, not cars on the road now.

and comparing 4x4s driven by families to All THe Rest Of THe Cars In The World and concluding they are safer isn't relevant unless you have the accompanying figs for other family cars. you've got to exclude the boy racers, no sense in lumping them in with all non 4x4 owning drivers.

on that ITV john Sargent programme they did compare the volvo with the woman's 4x4 and found it cheaper to run, bigger inside and safer, as i recall. but she didn't want it cos it wasn't shiny and intimidating.

seems to me this 'A TfL spokesperson said: "Our research shows large 4X4s are more likely to cause death or serious injury when involved in an accident' is the more relevant piece of information in that article.

seriously, ask any journalist, this isn't a story, it's filler. i could take the same literature and find you the opposite story. what we need are the figures from the research, an article in the standard isn't real.

alittleone2 · 04/03/2008 15:03

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AitchTwoOh · 04/03/2008 15:05

didn't think that was goiing to be such a big post, sorry.

Rhubarb · 04/03/2008 15:07

inzi I'm talking about human nature. You make assumptions about people based on what they wear, where they live, what car they drive etc. I'm not saying it is right, but that is what happens. You can expect not to be judged - ever!

As I've said before, there is a certain stereotype of 4x4 drivers, as seen in the media all the time and it's provided good material for many comedy writers. Unfortunately the 4x4 drivers who have contributed to this thread have done nothing to overturn that stereotype.

inzidoodle · 04/03/2008 15:07

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TheDullWitch · 04/03/2008 15:11

Do you know what, I feel like buying a 4x4, starting smoking, getting a huge pitbull style dog, going fox hunting, using thousands of plastic bags, some containing non-organic chicken.

I am so bored of all this banning/finger wagging judging everyone else mentality.

Rhubarb · 04/03/2008 15:12

The stereotype of the 4x4 driver did not come from nowhere inzi.

Where I live unfortunately many of the 4x4 drivers are women who use them to transport their 2 kids on the school run. They live in nice houses - not farm dwellings. There is no other reason for them to have a 4x4 other than the fact it makes their kids safer and it looks, to them nicer. It's a status symbol. Just take a gander at the cars parked in your local golf club - the majority are 4x4s. That's just one example of the type of people who drive them.

Not all 4x4 drivers are like this. Some are very intelligent I'm sure. Some may even care about other people! But just read the posts on this thread by 4x4 drivers, the likes of musicmonkey and so on. Their attitudes are quite shocking and selfish - so can you blame people for getting so angry with 4x4 drivers when these are the types of people driving them?

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