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to think that 4x4 drivers are the most selfish w@*&(*&s ever???

836 replies

redrobin · 03/03/2008 19:33

It makes my blood boil! They drive their big childcrushers whilst on the phone, they tailgate other smaller cars, they use enormous amounts of petrol, they block up roads, they look threatening...how can people choose to drive something like that? Do they have ha a selfish gene, do they think they are just better than other people so rules don't apply to them, or are they just thick?

(NOTE this is only about town drivers, i appreciate that they are useful in the countryside).

Sometimes, I think Jeremy Clarkson is winning.

OP posts:
StripeyKnickersSpottySocks · 04/03/2008 12:10

Yes but all 4x4 drivers will be paying more than me!

cleaninglady · 04/03/2008 12:10

Needmorecoffee - thats an awful story and one of my nightmare scenarios as it also happened to a friend of friend who hit her DS on her driveway reversing into the garage - in a VW Golf by the way - he was lucky though and did recover. She now will not drive a car at all though.

I personally think all cars should have sensors or cameras in them BTW.

Eve · 04/03/2008 12:10

I could say the same thing about the number of drivers that cut me up and give me hand gestures when towing the horse box at 40-50 miles an hour using my 4x4.

Guess why I am towing at that speed.....to be safe!!!

Guess why I am using a 4x4.... to comply with the law and to get in and out of fields!

SueBaroo · 04/03/2008 12:11

I need a 4x4 because the potholes are so bad round here!

cleaninglady · 04/03/2008 12:11

ok Quad your right

StripeyKnickersSpottySocks · 04/03/2008 12:12

Top 10 reasons not to drive an urban 4x4

  1. You're not a farmer
Or a tree surgeon, country vet, wind turbine repairer, dry stone wall engineer or mountain rescue specialist. Unless you are (or in a handful of other occupations) there's really no need for you to get a big 4x4, particularly if you live in an urban area. Four wheel drive gives you better traction in snow or deep mud, and that's about it. It does not make your car safer, more manoeuvrable, or enable you to stop any quicker.
  1. Your family fits into a saloon car or people carrier
Most families and their luggage can in fact fit comfortably into a small hatchback. Even if you have lots of kids (and a big dog), an estate car or MPV often has more space than a 4x4 and can fulfil all your daily needs. What did your dad drive you around in when you were small?
  1. You will breathe cleaner air
Pollution studies have demonstrated that, in slow traffic, the dirtiest air isn't being breathed by the cyclists in the gutter or the people waiting for the bus on the pavement, but by those inside the cars in the middle of the road. If you find this implausible, check where your car's air intake is, and compare it with the exhaust pipe of the 4x4 in front of you.
  1. You will save money
Data at www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk show that it costs around £100 more per month in petrol costs alone to run a 4-litre Range Rover, compared with a 2-litre estate car. Currently road tax stops increasing at just 185 g/km of carbon dioxide, so drivers of smaller cars are effectively subsidising 4x4 drivers. Two-thirds of people support higher taxes for 4x4s. British insurance companies admit that 4x4 drivers are not charged premiums that reflect the cost of their claims at the moment, but are poised to increase their costs, so the bottom line could get even worse.
  1. You won't have to lie to your grandchildren
Our descendants will be left to deal with the effects of climate change caused by our profligate use of fossil fuels. Drivers of 4x4s should start editing their photo albums now.
  1. You will be less likely to kill a pedestrian
Most accidents involving pedestrians are caused when they stray onto the road without warning, so your superior driving skills may not help to avoid an accident. However, a better designed car could make all the difference to their survival chances. The greater height and weight of 4x4s, as well as their flat fronts and stiff bonnets, means they are bottom of the class in Euro-NCAP crash tests for pedestrian safety.
  1. You might see a small child early enough to avoid backing over them
Big, tall 4x4s have far bigger rear blind spots than normal cars, making it impossible to see a child for more than 15 feet behind them, and much further for short drivers. Check out the facts about the increased dangers to pedestrians from taller cars at www.kidsandcars.org.
  1. You will be less likely to injure people in other cars
The high bumpers on 4x4s can override safety features on other cars, such as side impact bars and crumple zones, and the extra weight of big 4x4s is a hazard in itself. The spare wheel on the back of many 4x4s often takes the place of a rear bumper and increases damage to other cars in a 'shunt' incident.
  1. You will have a better time driving
Big 4x4s are notoriously difficult to park due to their poor visibility close to the car. When cornering, the high centre of gravity of a 4x4 reduces the responsivenesss and takes all the fun out of winding country lanes. Don't expect fantastic acceleration at traffic lights either, due to all that extra weight.
  1. People won't think you are an 'idiot' In an ordinary car, you won't get dirty looks from all and sundry when you drive around town, won't have to avoid eye contact with bus passengers, and cyclists won't mouth obscenities as they squeeze past you in a queue of traffic. As an extra bonus, other drivers might occasionally let you pull out ahead of them.
TheDuchessOfNorksBride · 04/03/2008 12:12

Quotes from NCAP on 3 cars on pedestrian safety:

The areas where an adult?s head might strike the bonnet and a small area of the bonnet?s leading edge provided some cushioning but the child head areas and the bumper were very ?unfriendly?.

Only two small areas of the bonnet top offered protection. But its leading edge and the car?s bumper proved to be very unfriendly. This was a disappointing result for a new design,

The area where a child?s head might strike, the bonnet?s leading edge and the bumper were particularly unfriendly towards pedestrians. A poor result.

pedilia · 04/03/2008 12:12

Thank you Eve -exactly my reason for having one, and excuse me if I don't have a seperate car for running into town in!!!

cleaninglady · 04/03/2008 12:13

although put me in thick category not selfish as I didnt actually consider the car purchase in that much detail so therefore didn't do it on purpose

pedilia · 04/03/2008 12:13

stripey= that doesn't make you houlier than thou!!

StripeyKnickersSpottySocks · 04/03/2008 12:14

As I said earlier - if you need one for getting in and out of fields, etc then fine. Its all the status symbol 4x4 drivers that bug me.

StripeyKnickersSpottySocks · 04/03/2008 12:16

What doesn't make me holier than thou? I never said anything did. If you're referring to me pointing out that 4x4 drivers will have to pay higher tax than drivers of small cars then you're totally missing the point. I was just trying to say thats another reason not to have one, surely?

inzidoodle · 04/03/2008 12:17

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pedilia · 04/03/2008 12:17

Most people driving a ford galaxy,kia sedona or chrysler voyager would not be able to see a small child in their mirrors!!!!!!!!!!

In fact NO-ONE would be able to see my 1 year old DD if she was behind their cars, so we should all just stop being so selfich and stop driving JUST IN CASE we hit someone.

We should ban lorries,taxis and buses becasuse they all pose a danger.
In fact lets do away with the roads and bring back horses and carriages, oh no I forgot horses kick and that is a danger.............

musicgirl · 04/03/2008 12:17

SKSS, where did this kid dash out from? If it is my kid then my partner and I always make him stand in front of us (if at home at the front door) when we are reversing. If out my partner would have hold of his hand. If it is another kid that has come out of nowhere (unlikely) then that kid hasn't been taught road safety or isn't being supervised by it's parents.

It's not just 4x4 who can't see behind them: icecream vans, garbage trucks, delivery vans etc would run over kids that ran up beind them whilst they were reversing. Do you want to ban all of them as well?

AitchTwoOh · 04/03/2008 12:18

ah there it is... the 'yer all just jellllusss' defence. lol. good to see it.

StripeyKnickersSpottySocks · 04/03/2008 12:18

Are the roads really that much worse in the country? I live in the country and haven't noticed.

Not at all as I would rather walk than have one

musicgirl · 04/03/2008 12:18

Beat me to Pedilia

cleaninglady · 04/03/2008 12:18

status symbol 4x4 puzzles me as they are not particularly attractive cars are they? mine certainly isnt !

whereas a little mini or something are really cute

Quadrophenia · 04/03/2008 12:19

Inzidoodle, do my job, then tell me I'm het up for no reason, your attitude makes me sick

muppetgirl · 04/03/2008 12:20

Hi Inzi

PotPourri · 04/03/2008 12:20

redrobin. Was saw the title and was going to post that I live in teh country and 4x4s allow people to get around the tracks near me. But I see from your message that you have said only in the town.

Must admit, if you don't need it for tracks etc, personally I wouldn't see any attraction in it.

AitchTwoOh · 04/03/2008 12:20

we just think you look stupid, musicgirl, that's all. you do look like a big idiot in your car, you know that don't you?

and quit it with the 'the kid' business, you're being very ill-mannered. i think the poor child died in this instance, so give it a rest.

Quadrophenia · 04/03/2008 12:20

and would you kindly like to tell the individual i work with to get a grip?

StripeyKnickersSpottySocks · 04/03/2008 12:20

Never seen a garbage truck reversing out of a car park space, ditto icecream van.

I have seen a kid, about 9 years old walking slightly infront of their parents (like 4 paces) back to their car in Tescos. There's no pavement/walkway so they're walking where everyone else does behind the parked cars. A 4x4 started up and reversed out quickly and hit the kid. Woman drievr was crying saying she never saw the kid - no shit!

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