To be confused about my partner's nationality

[ForestryForever]

Good evening,
My partner's parents were both born in Wales. They both lived and grew up in Wales. As adults they both left Wales and lived in England, where they remained.
Whilst married and living in England, they had a baby - my partner. My partner was born, raised in and grew up in England, and still lives in England.
What nationality is my partner?

If England and Wales produced their own passports he could get both, I would say he has dual nationality :-)

English with Welsh ancestry.

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By ethnicity you're half Welsh, one quarter Irish and one quarter Goan. That's the answer you'll get if you take an ancestry test (assuming no family secrets of course...). By culture you're apparently mixed. By citizenship you're presumably British. By nationality, again, this depends on whether you use the term to mean citizenship or to mean ethnicity.

Your friend is a French citizen if her mother was a French citizen. If she hasn’t already done so she could get a French passport as easily as someone born in France. It’s a really straightforward process (I did it immediately after the Brexit vote, had no need to before). She can also vote in French elections, despite not living in France, French citizens residing overseas have their own MPs. So she is a British/French dual national.

British. Born in the UK of Welsh parents.

His parents are Welsh which is why he considers himself Welsh and wants to be Welsh. He's not 50/50.

It's storm in a teacup isn't it? Why does it matter so much to you, that he is proud of having Welsh parents so would rather be Welsh?

Partner is not talking about what he identifies with.
He's not talking about his culture.
He is saying that, for an absolute fact, he is Welsh. And he is saying he is not English. As fact. Not identity.
I'm asking MN because I'm interested in your answers.

Who does he support in the rugby?

My son in law is the reverse. Parents both from Yorkshire though his Mum was the daughter of a Minister of Religion and moved about a bit as a child. Settled in N Wales.

Son was born at the Mealor in Wrexham and identifies as Welsh but could equally be a Yorkie...

He will however be supporting Wales and sings Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau with gusto..

And for those who are adamant he is English, you wouldn't be calling him Japanese if he grew up in Japan with English parents, you just wouldn't.

It depends if he was a Japanese citizen or not. Why wouldn't you call a Japanese citizen Japanese?

If he says he's Welsh, he's Welsh. There's no sense in wondering about it; none of us can tell him what he is.

Because he's pissed off with her for telling people he's half Welsh when ethnically he's 100% Welsh. It's important to him. Ancestry/heritage/family history are important to a lot of people, especially people who come from a country that was colonized by the country in which they were raised. You can understand that.

I agree with him

as a Welsh person Id say he’s Welsh as both parents are but born in England. However I also think about grandparents heritage too

I was born in Wales to English parents. I’m Welsh.

(Passport says British but I do t look at that enough for it to make me cross.)

There is no "fact" because there is no legal definition that requires anyone to determine his Welshness.

He's a British citizen and Welsh if he says he is.

He's Welsh OP

Get over it 😄

ethnically he's 100% Welsh

WTF does that mean?!

I don't think the previous poster was asking why it matters to him; it's obvious why it matters to him. I think she was asking OP why it mattes to her. And the answer is, it shouldn't.

At individual level this is quite simplistic. It's not easy for everyone to learn a language as an adult if they weren't taught it by their parents/at school as children. It takes a lot of effort. And time! A rare thing.

Your dismissive "banning the language a long time ago" is also simplistic to say the least. Among other things, his ancestors would have been beaten for speaking it, you think the effect of that has just dissipated into thin air, just because the government of Wales (established 1999) is now saying nice things about the language? It will take a long time to correct such a deep injustice.

Where do you get this dangerous idea of being "ethnically Welsh"? What does it mean?

100% Welsh.

I'm also welsh and can't bear being called British.

To be fair, he sounds very het up and angry about a silly topic. Does either country want him?

Sure. But I'm saying even without a French passport and never having lived in France she can consider herself French even though legally she is British. Same as OP's partner can consider himself English or Welsh. But is still legally British.

I was born across the border in England. Lived in wales my whole life. Speak the language. One parent welsh one English. I would also be pissed off if I was called half welsh as I identify as being just welsh. He identifies as being welsh because his family are welsh - I don’t see the issue with that.

DD has me (Welsh) and DH (Yorkshire). Born in Wales, educated in Welsh, considers herself to be Welsh or English depending on who is playing at rugby or football.