Finally - govt. explore dog ban

[Tapasita]

Finally the Govt are looking into banning* *American bully XL dogs. I expect the "it's not the dog but the owner" responses to this news but I do think these types of dogs are categorically more dangerous than other breeds, and I'm surprised, given the number of fatalities, attacks and serious injuries over the last few years (most on small children) that it's taken this long for someone in Govt. to pay attention. Why anyone would want to own such a savage dog is beyond me - I personally think it's a working class status symbol primarily. Sorry if that sounds rude but I do instantly judge people who choose these breeds of dogs above any other breed. They know they are heavy, dangerous and powerful. Just why? What are you trying to prove??? They're effing ugly to boot. And they kill children repeatedly.

Certain types of individuals choose that breed again and again with zero care for the consequences. It's just ignorance and "tough image" over..........well, anything else.

Absolutely they should be banned, and people who seek to own a dog - any breed for what it's worth - should be required to have a license and undergo appropriate dog-training courses. These two things should be mandatory, because any dog can kill or inflict serious injury regardless of their otherwise "peaceful" temperaments (which is always the counter-argument.)

American bully XL dogs: Suella Braverman orders 'urgent advice' on banning breed - BBC News

The stat this (IMO terrible) blog references is 6 of the 10 fatal attacks. So XL bullies were responsible for more than half of the people killed last year. Given how many dogs there are, and what a tiny proportion of them are XL bullies, this is a terrifying stat.

‘Only 6’ - are you being sarcastic?

@bombastix

There is an article today which says that XL bullies are being bred by toxic, abusive men. They have found a loophole to exploit.

Well there's a shocker.

Add XL bullies (and all their sub-breeds) and use genetic testing (at owners’ expense) to prove it. I agree the measurement system is stupid, but nowadays you can get dog DNA done for less than £100.

Anything with pit bull / other banned breed DNA is subject to muzzle restrictions and tattooing or destroyed.

@Bingbangbongbash the assessors don't take DNA into account, purely physical looks and measurements.

This dog {pictured after attack} killed a passerby on a walk in Brazil. They are absolutely lethal.
The poor man was taken to hospital, but his facial injuries were so appalling he died.

The ''Bite style'' is very different to other breeds/types of dog.

The eyes on this thing- When I had a frightening experience with an XLB a few weeks ago the dead, 'piggy' hard eyes are what I remember- No sentience or glint of intelligence in there, just like yellow glass eyes that weren't linked to a brain.

A monster cross Just created to attack and to be intimidating.

''Vice'' interviewed dog importers from Eastern Europe bringing banned breeds in to UK - these charmers also steal dogs {XLB's} and breed them to sell the puppies.

The Pit bull they showed was kept crated.

There was a company who tested these DNA kits against known 'Purebreds' - they used a Whippet as a tester for one- Both tests for that came back as 100% Whippet-

But the more ''Mutt like'' a dog is, the more differing the test results were. {the tests didn't match up with same 'Breeds'}

Like these: {These also breed XL's from stolen XL's}

Allegedly there is a local to me "free roaming dog rescue", the owner of which I understand is currently awaiting sentencing in relation to an XL Bully free roaming on their property which attacked a member of the public.

Make all young male drivers pay a levy to cover the ASB and damage caused by a few of them

well we kind of already do by charging them more for their car insurance

They haven't been able to charge males more for car insurance for a long time.

Just googled this-
Looks like an accident waiting to happen
Large dogs ( boasting about how no one wants them) -WHY does no one want them?!
probably human or dog aggressive.

They just roam loose in a pack.
Highly irresponsible.

Just to clarify @oakleaffy - I've just googled too, the one I refer to doesn't seem to come up in searches, certainly NOT based in Manchester.

Really? It hasn't worked to reduce the number of dog attacks, reduce the number of Pitbulls in existance or reduce the number of people killed by or attacked by pitbulls.

Of the 4 banned breeds, only one of them actually existed in the UK in the first place! So of course you wouldn't see deaths by Tosas, Dogo's or Fila's... hurrah, we stopped something from happening that was never happening in the first place.

Deaths in the UK prior to the ban were on the whole attributable to other breeds, including Rottweilers, and German Shepherds - though it was a non fatal attack by a pit-bull that triggered the ban.

There have been more pit-bull related attacks and deaths post ban than pre-ban, in the UK.

Stan Rawlinson is an expert in his own mind only and will take cash to say whatever you want if it gets him on telly or in a newspaper. He has never worked with or even been near an XL Bully and retired from actively doing anything with even spaniels some 20+ years ago.

We just need someone high up prepared to go and euthanise a dog with a difficult temperament without dna checks or breed checks , just get rid of the aggressive dogs, any dog off a lead should be subject to verification by a independent inspector irrespective of the breed. If the fig jumps up and/or has poor recall. The owner should realise that the dogs life is at stake. That should sort out the bad owner problem.

Won't happen - as I said above, it's likely that 2/3 of MPs have dogs themselves so a good proportion will belong to the "he's only being friendly" brigade (once he's sunk his teeth into your thigh).

I really can't see the fun in having a reactive dog if you are a "normal" person (ie not a criminal who trains these dogs to be aggressive on purpose) and I would like to see rescues from overseas banned.

You do realise that a significant number of dog bites/attacks are by gundog breeds? They are dogs, not dear little fluffykins.

Where are we finding these independent inspectors, and who is educating them, who will pay for them?

Not the police, they're a shit show, one of their dogs attacked its own handler on a live deployment recently and had to be shot on scene! Another was recently suspended for treatment of his retired and working police dogs.

The current system and infrastructure we have is ... pretty much a joke.

A Dog Legislation Officer can assess a dog and decide it is definitely not an illegal pitbull type.

The next DLO comes along, and decides it is one.

Based on measurements and personal opinion.

How is that a workable system?

A dog can be 'not a pitbull' at 6 months old and by 9 months have grown into being a pitbull!

We will have the same issue with an XL Bully 'type' ban - this isn't a recognised breed, it does not have any useful DNA marker (not that any dog does tbh, not reliably enough for courts).

Meanwhile.... going totally unaddressed and unchecked...

Importing a Doberman or Giant Schnauzer with its ears hacked off, already trained to chase and bite on command or whenever it feels someone is a threat (using dodgy abusive methods guaranteed to fail in the long run) is perfectly legal.

Importing a Caucasian Ovcharka - bred for generations to attack and kill people, and to work without a handler, and make such decisions for themselves - again, perfectly legal. (These, if you have not met one, make an XL Bully look like the fucking andrex puppy...)

Teaching people how to turn their dog into an aggressive, fearful, unpredictable biting and killing machine.... legal.

I really don’t get the argument that other dogs attack.

If statically 75% of fatalities (for example) are caused by breed X then what’s the point of saying yes but breeds A, B and C can also kill people.

Yes, they can. But they don’t. You can’t argue with fact. Statistically almost every fatality is from a bull type (unless you’re a tiny baby and have been shaken by something small)
The fact that XL makes up such a small amount of the dog population makes it even more terrifying.

None if the other breeds are known to fight and be as relentless as a bully, it’s literally the reason they were bred in the first place-drive. This is the reason they kill. You can be bitten nastily by a Labrador or collie yes, but it’s not as likely to hang on to you until you’re dead is it.

So many elephants in the room...

A very human aggressive purebred Golden Retriever bit our Postwoman's hand down to the bone-
More recently a ''Frantic'' woman who has a Labrador left it with an extremely experienced dog person, and it bit the sitter's bare arm very badly.
''Holly'' , a Labrador bit Caesar Milan - Gundogs are definitely not 'Angels'.

Any dog that has been poorly bred and poorly socialised and with no concept of boundaries or basic ''Manners'' with the ''Wrong'' owner can turn.

Cocker 'Rage' syndrome is real, too.

BUT, Bull breeds have a different bite style, they grip very hard, they shake devastatingly, and tend to go for head and neck {from what I have read}

Goodness knows what the answer is.

Your description of the 'dead behind the eyes' look, with no sentience or signs of intelligence could equally be applied to the owners of these grotesque creatures.

The people calling for education, not banning, forget that IQ cannot be increased and some people are incapable of taking things in. Explaining to one of these dummies how to train their dog is as fruitless as expecting them to qualify as rocket engineers.

Just googled the Caucasian dog- Bloody hell...''coming to an Estate near you soon..''

Already there, living in sheds, chained to back walls... Scary as fuck.

I’ll happily be a dog inspector,

You realise that most dogs are reactive because of humans, right? Humans have already failed them once but according to you we should fail them again and put them to sleep.

The only living things who have been failed are the people who've been killed and maimed, they include babies and children.

They're dogs ffs. Euthanasia is a kindness because it can't be all that fun spending your life being neglected, tormented and being hopelessly aggressive.