Finally - govt. explore dog ban

[Tapasita]

Finally the Govt are looking into banning* *American bully XL dogs. I expect the "it's not the dog but the owner" responses to this news but I do think these types of dogs are categorically more dangerous than other breeds, and I'm surprised, given the number of fatalities, attacks and serious injuries over the last few years (most on small children) that it's taken this long for someone in Govt. to pay attention. Why anyone would want to own such a savage dog is beyond me - I personally think it's a working class status symbol primarily. Sorry if that sounds rude but I do instantly judge people who choose these breeds of dogs above any other breed. They know they are heavy, dangerous and powerful. Just why? What are you trying to prove??? They're effing ugly to boot. And they kill children repeatedly.

Certain types of individuals choose that breed again and again with zero care for the consequences. It's just ignorance and "tough image" over..........well, anything else.

Absolutely they should be banned, and people who seek to own a dog - any breed for what it's worth - should be required to have a license and undergo appropriate dog-training courses. These two things should be mandatory, because any dog can kill or inflict serious injury regardless of their otherwise "peaceful" temperaments (which is always the counter-argument.)

American bully XL dogs: Suella Braverman orders 'urgent advice' on banning breed - BBC News

I live in Solihull and I've seen one. It was a tiny pup and was quite cute but it gave me shivers. The woman with it was in a play park with her child.

Nope you are the one that is BU.

These dogs are literally bred to be intimidating and the worst of them are lethal.

They are not a breed. They just a type of dog bred down from Pitbulls which are bred to fight. To react with aggression to a mere squeak. To kill. Some bright spark decided to call them XL bullies to get round the DDA. 🙄

These dogs cannot be compared with 99% of other breeds of dog. There have been problems with breeds such as GSDs/Dobes/Rotts but given how many decades and millions of them there have been and long they have been around, the incidents are few and far between. These breeds were also historically bred with a useful purpose in mind.

XL Bullies have been bred by shitheads trying to get round the DDA. The original twat breeders of them know full well how much Pitbull is behind xl bullies.

Because these people are utter shitheads, they don't give a shit where the puppies go. They just want them sold. They usually go to other utter shit heads who have as much clue about rearing a dog as I do about colonising Mars with cattle.

These dogs should have been clamped down on under the DDA as soon as they started appearing as they are pit bull types. Then maybe all the children and animals they have savaged to death in the last few years would still be here.

Anyone defending this new type of dog as much a part of the problem as the dogs themselves.

These dogs should have been clamped down on under the DDA as soon as they started appearing as they are pit bull types.

@Clickigen they don't fit the measurements to be pitbull type.

I have rarely seen one "xl bully" look the same as another? All powerful and clearly with Pitbull blood. There is no breed standard as they aren't a breed. Just a type.

If they do edit the DDs rather than enact new legislation, I hope they broaden the description so that all of these dogs are accounted for.

“Dogs aren't born vicious”

By that logic neither are tigers. I’m not keeping one as a pet though.

Just here to say what the heck is your problem with working class?! Such a generalisation.

One very unpleasant trait breeders of Fighting Pit type dogs are encouraging, is getting young pups to kill each other.

What normal breed or type of dog does that?
It wasn’t hunger. It was bloodlust.

I didn’t believe it- Til I saw pictures- it was sickening . Wish the pic came with a warning over it.
Pups who weren’t hungry literally slaughtering and cannibalising their weaker littermates.

Yes, litters of pups can play roughly and make a lot of noise, but killing littermates
-still with puppy teeth ?

Revolting.

I am in the South East and I’ve seen a few Bully XL’s, but not many. I have a dog so do see a lot of dogs but never those type of dogs off lead where I walk. I’m a huge dog lover but I go the other way when I see one, I’m sure they aren’t all vicious but if they snap you’ll be lucky to get away with your life

But it’s true @Janicepalace

Is a middle class family in Surrey likely to consider buying an XL Bully as a charming pet for little Oliver and Elizabeth? No. Of course they’re bloody not! They’ll get a naice Chow Chow or Dalmatian.

Generally speaking.

You can’t convince me that XL Bullies appeal to anyone other than drug dealers and working class individuals - I don’t have any issue with working class people but that’s my observation. Correct me if I’m wrong.

@oakleaffy

One very unpleasant trait breeders of Fighting Pit type dogs are encouraging, is getting young pups to kill each other.

That’s horrid, it’s appalling that people are so cruel. I suppose people are the root cause of all of this.

What difference does it make if it’s the owners fault or the dogs fault that it killed someone. Regardless, it’s been widely reported 75% of recent fatalities were the XL. I bet if it was your child mauled you wouldn’t give a fuck what caused the dog to attack, it shouldn’t exist in the first place. You can’t wrap a gun in a new material and call it another name and it be legal, so why are pit bulls legal under another label?

Also…genetics, genetics, genetics. Those who deny that aggression and ‘game’ is heritable are idiots who probably also argue the world is flat.

Great stuff - so they explore what we did in 1991. Check how that worked out - it didn't, in fact it led to where we are now...

And come up with better solutions, a good start would be to bring back the Kept Animals Bill and ban the import of cropped dogs. That would make it immediately much easier to take action against those cropping dogs illegally, rooting out breeders and dodgy repro companies and crooked vets.

Come down hard on abusive bully-boy training methods and those who promote them - the DickTok trainers who are parading their penis extension Cane Corsos, XL Bullies and lunatic Malinois, Dutchies and so on, who are driving the desire to own a 'dangerous dog' and the desire to train dogs to attack/bite.

France has banned abusive training collars - we could do the same.

Strengthen our dog control laws, initially by actually policing them properly before adding to them.

Adding new dogs to a ban that doesn't work, and adding new legislation when the legislation we already have is not enforceable, and the animal welfare laws we have are not policed... is pointless.

It'll make the morons think someones doing something though so, much as in 1991, I suspect we'll see a ban on XL Bullies and their crossbreeds and types.

It'll be as much use as a chocolate teapot.

How would a ban work? There are so many of the dogs around now that rounding them up for assessment for temperament etc would be nigh on impossible.
In the estate near my parents, there are at least 10 such dogs living there, and 2 breeders popping more of the things out.
My local dog FB page had owners post pictures of theirs. There were loads! Many lived with families, and one was living with a nurse.

All dogs? I’m sorry but my 2 goldies wouldn’t hurt a fly - granted they are well trained but that’s a big generalisation

How would it work - well back the first time around, those with Pitbulls were given the opportunity to add their dogs to a register.

Those dogs had to be neutered, tattooed, chipped, insured (only one company offers this), owned by someone over 18, etc etc.

I don't know if there was a temperament test at that point.

There was a timeframe for this and then the register was closed. Years later, campaigners managed to get the register re-opened, but you then had to go through a much tougher process to get a dog added, involving a court case with assessment to demonstrate the dog was not a danger.

After that, dogs were seized and owners at risk of being found guilty of keeping an illegal breed which carried both fine and prison sentence, or people signed dogs over, or had them euthanised to avoid the above and let their dogs go with kindness/dignity rather than in the hands of strangers.

And criminals who give no shits just hid their dogs, which resulted in much nastier, unsocialised, aggressive dogs living in properties and never seeing the light of day until someones kid gets killed by them.

I wonder how much support in reality the conservatives are wanting to legislate on this issue?

I would think banning such dogs would be perceived as an attack on working class communities by some and the government doesn't want to antagonise red wall voters.

There will be some that think the government should be addressing such issues as the cost of living crisis or immigration rather than focusing on banning a certain type of dog.

Do the government want to be seen as against the common man (in some eyes)?

If your observation is that you see “working class” people with these dogs then that is your observation. However, I do wonder if you are being slightly classist with this statement.

My personal observation when it comes to “dangerous” dogs are that they’re owned by the unemployed or upper classes for protection.

It really isn't majority of working class who have three dogs infact these people tend to work outside the law in their activities.

I agree with the proposed ban. I witnessed a dog attack, it was absolutely horrific and the person life changing injuries were the result. The law should also allow for the attacking dog to be confiscated and destroyed in those circumstances, regardless of breed.

I don't think they give a fuck - nor do I think they have a clue how much time or how much money it will take to achieve this.

It looks like they're doing something.
They will manage to get local police to grab a bunch of xl bullies owned by fairly reasonable, responsible people off the streets - some media coverage of how many nasty xl bullies were slaughtered, woohoo hurrah..

No ones going near the organised crime networks with huge money invested in breeding these dogs, the highly illegal doggy wank-banks and cropping outfits, all a great way to wash filthy drugs and trafficking money...

Those will just go underground again, until trends change once more and we see another man made crossbreed designed to intimidate and cause damage/deaths, with a slightly different set of measurements to this one.

The law already does allow for this.

Of course dogs can be born vicious!! Just like a human can, but when you are that weight and have those jaws, you can easily kill.

I think they should be banned but I also think that there should be more regulation. Braverman is obviously just casting around for votes or popularity , so I wouldn't take her seriously.

Thank god - we know someone whose life has changed forever because of a vicious dog attack

Does it? The dog in question was not destroyed, which I was surprised about at the time. Maybe it has to go to court and the victim has to request euthanasia? I don’t know the process.