Finally - govt. explore dog ban

[Tapasita]

Finally the Govt are looking into banning* *American bully XL dogs. I expect the "it's not the dog but the owner" responses to this news but I do think these types of dogs are categorically more dangerous than other breeds, and I'm surprised, given the number of fatalities, attacks and serious injuries over the last few years (most on small children) that it's taken this long for someone in Govt. to pay attention. Why anyone would want to own such a savage dog is beyond me - I personally think it's a working class status symbol primarily. Sorry if that sounds rude but I do instantly judge people who choose these breeds of dogs above any other breed. They know they are heavy, dangerous and powerful. Just why? What are you trying to prove??? They're effing ugly to boot. And they kill children repeatedly.

Certain types of individuals choose that breed again and again with zero care for the consequences. It's just ignorance and "tough image" over..........well, anything else.

Absolutely they should be banned, and people who seek to own a dog - any breed for what it's worth - should be required to have a license and undergo appropriate dog-training courses. These two things should be mandatory, because any dog can kill or inflict serious injury regardless of their otherwise "peaceful" temperaments (which is always the counter-argument.)

American bully XL dogs: Suella Braverman orders 'urgent advice' on banning breed - BBC News

Banning breeds does not stop dog bites.

If you bother to look up Section 1 of the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 it will tell you what the law is surrounding banned breeds. It's called Breed Specific Legislation.

If a dog is identified as being a banned breed it will be seized and undergo a physical measurement examination and temperament tests. To cut a long process short it can be added to the Index of Exempted Dogs and be released back to its owner with certain restrictions placed upon it, or put to sleep.

also those who are saying about not banning and there will be another breed made. i think These sit at home selling drugs watching American Tv clearly copy the americans i remember the guy in america the first time i saw this breed then all of a sudden well a year or so later people were breeding them to make the breed thats dangerous and they should be banned then people who have dogs should be made to have a licence all the dogs in a dogs home abandoned due to people losing there care and time it wears off its alll fun having a puppy but in reality the only people who should have pets should have a licence and have background checks its ridiculous

That’s why all dogs need to be muzzled in public. You won’t have to waste time trying to work out of an unmuzzled dog is x, y, z, you’d just pick it up and put it to sleep.

Possibilities :

All dogs over a certain weight muzzled in public.
Licences to fund dog services.
Mandatory insurance for animals over a certain weight.
Extension of banned breeds.

The problem is if you ban one type of breed the bad breeders will just breed up another. It is also very difficult to catagorise crossbreeds.

Parents all over council estates in England might be able to breathe again if this goes ahead. These dogs have taken over in our estate and many others.

I know you didn't ask me but I also work in a vets and they're treated the same as any other dog. I've not seen any that have needed a muzzle (unlike many collies, shih tzus and cocker spaniels).

What an actually vile thing to say. Absolutely vile.

Its time they introduce compulsory third party liability insurance for dog owners.

All dogs should be muzzled and on lead not a retractable when in public unless in a secure dog field.

Any dog breed who’s been bread to be an XL Shouldn’t exist much as those over bred smushed face dogs shouldn’t either.

Id actually be happy if vets were able to mandatory sterilise all such dogs to stop future litters of fucked up dogs. Unless part of a genuine national recognised breeding program to get the dogs back to what they should be. All dogs caught by the warden or police not sterilised again to be sterilised before release unless under a proper breeding program again.

Muzzles for all would make general life in public much easier. I expect the market would step in and you’d have a lot more fields and other private spaces able to let dogs roam without muzzles for an entry fee

The balance between members of the public being able to go about their businesses in peace and dog owners being allowed to let their untrained dogs run amok in public has swung way too far in the dog owner’s direction. A massive correction is needed.

Overheard a woman on the bus talking about getting an XL Bully called 'Genghis Khan'
'You know, like that prick Sadiq'.

Alarmingly her 7 year old was the one talking sense by telling her that she would have to walk it and how much it would cost to feed.

I dont think it matters how well trained an animal is. If he can overpower its owner is needs to be muzzled.

I have no desire whatsoever to harm dogs but this is long overdue. I don’t know how anyone can give the stats over the last three years even a cursory glance and insist it isn’t the breed.

I'm not a dog lover or expert but can those poor little squashed face ones be banned too? The one that walks past my house every day sounds as though it is having an asthma attack. Probably not dangerous but clearly needs to be put out of its misery.

@RedVanYellowVan pugs are banned in one of the nordic countries I think

I went on a pet selling site to see how many are bred to sell in my area. I was horrified to see a picture of a baby with the adult female dog. Advert boasting how good they are with the child. I literally got shivers.
All dogs have the potential to be aggressive (I had a lab and she's beautiful but I never trust her 100%) however bully xl have aggressive genetics

If we had this then at least there would be significant financial compensation for dog attack victims.

It would be easy enough to tie it to the dog chip, in the same way car insurance is tied to car number plates.

And yes all dogs are bred for geneticist my lab for example loves to carrying and fetching..she's never been shooting before but they are bred traditionally as hun dogs so it's instinct

Prey drive and "viciousness" are not remotely the same trait.

Dogs with some of the highest prey drive are greyhounds - which are also amongst the dopiest, gentlest breeds.

Agression and prey drive do not equate.

Make all dogs no matter what breed muzzled in public - Petitions (parliament.uk)

There are several petitions but not many have taken off, I totally agree with you.

Ill be happy once they get rid of those vicious things going around attacking people.

@Taketurn other people you mean then.

I love dogs, more than people in fact. But I hate the its not the dog argument. There's a reason certain dogs are good for guarding/fighting.
Yes, smaller dogs can bite but the power in xl bullies jaws is unreal. You don't know what's going on in a dogs head. An ill dog could bite unexpectedly.
I worked in a kennels years ago that had contract with police/social services. We got a dog that was similar breed. He was seized for being a pitbull type. He got hold of a rabbit on a walk and no matter what I tried I couldn't get it off him. They are so strong.

How’s that going to stop these dogs killing kids?

"Cats are more predatory than dogs."

How is this relevant to OPs post and the thread? How many humans have been seriously maimed or killed by domestic cats in the UK?