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Police shoot pregnant woman dead (USA)

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SuddenlyOld · 02/09/2023 07:35

Ok America, since when did it become normal for police officers to point guns at pregnant women accused of shoplifting?
She didn't have a weapon or get violent. Turns out she hadn't stolen anything either.
If I was black in America I'd be scared to go out 😪😪😪
This is probably the worst thing I've seen ever.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408

Footage of police with guns drawn

Bodycam video shows Ohio police fatally shooting pregnant black woman

Ta'Kiya Young, 21, appears to advance the car towards an Ohio officer before a single shot is fired.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66690408

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gillygeey · 02/09/2023 09:04

However if we compare the USA to Finland who also have a high firearm ownership, Finland's police have over 5000 hours training and very very few civilian casualties.

Completely different cultures. Finland has very little gun violence in their society & more people have a hunting gun as opposed to a firearm.

gillygeey · 02/09/2023 09:04

that should say handgun not firearm!

WilmaFlintstone1 · 02/09/2023 09:05

The amount of victim blaming on this thread is beyond belief. But I get it…she was a woman of colour so who cares eh? You’d all be wetting your knickers about this if she’d been white. But who care if a woman with a different coloured skin does, she’s not important and she might have stolen something so she deserves to die right?

Toomanylaughs · 02/09/2023 09:06

Hobbi · 02/09/2023 08:58

@Proudgypsy

What crime had George Floyd committed on the day of his murder? He has done nothing on that day so was, in fact, innocent. He'd been a criminal in the past - do we summarily execute past criminals on a whim?

Exactly, and I’d add to that, Dylan Roof or whatever his name was managed to be arrested unscathed. Apparently the police even took him to Burger King first ( not sure how true that part is but wouldn’t be surprised)

And in case you don’t recall Dylan Roof is the white dude with the bowl haircut who shot up the black church.

For all you vile apologists - and thankfully there’s not many of you on this thread - why do black people have to be perfect citizen to avoid getting shot but white serial killers can be arrested and treated with kid gloves?

the police are NOT judge jury and executioner. And a jury would not have sentenced this woman to jail let alone death innocent or not.

So have some shame and stop derailing the discussion of this tragedy by bleating “she wasn’t innocent”.

Brefugee · 02/09/2023 09:06

OneTwoThreeShake · 02/09/2023 08:39

I know it isn't the point of the thread but a few people have brought it up.

Abortion isn't illegal in Ohio.
And her car had no plates.

don't they carry stingers in their cars? easy peasy sling it in front of the car and let her go - catch up with her when the tyres are flat.
Don't kill her.

CoteDOpale · 02/09/2023 09:06

A lot of the previous posts echo my sentiments, so I will just say ‘cunts’. Absolute cunts.

And for those defending the officers, the fuck is your problem? So what if she wasn’t ‘innocent’? We have shoplifters here too - we don’t kill them! She shoplifted so she deserves death? No. They’re scum imo, as is anyone who thinks they were in the right.

2023usernameNew · 02/09/2023 09:08

Poppyblush · 02/09/2023 07:50

But if police say stop, why not stop???

But if the car has four tyres, why not point and shoot at them instead?

sunglassesonthetable · 02/09/2023 09:09

So what if she wasn’t ‘innocent’? We have shoplifters here too - we don’t kill them! She shoplifted so she deserves death?

This, every time.

sunglassesonthetable · 02/09/2023 09:10

Imagine if shoplifters ( no idea if this woman was one ) were gunned down on our streets.

God alive.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 02/09/2023 09:11

Just playing devil advocate. Its very easy to say all these things they could have done.

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Yes but interestingly time and time and again we see they NEVER do these things when dealing with black people.

It's their job to de escalate. Drawing a weapon at a person accused of shoplifting is the absolute opposite.

That poor woman and her family Flowers

gillygeey · 02/09/2023 09:11

it's insanity. there HAS to be a better selection process for police. we have to get rid of institutional racism

Would you be a police officer? I certainly wouldn't even if the pay was much, much more. I think it's impossible to eradicate racism, sexism in police when it's in the wider society

itsgettingweird · 02/09/2023 09:12

@itsgettingweird the problem is cops do get shot at for random disturbances/shoplifting reports. Fear blinds the cops & fear blinds the victims.

I agree.

It's so hard for both sides and I don't condone what the police did.

But when you police a country where those you are policing have a right to bare arms it's a whole different kettle of fish.

That's why I think there must be a mindset or shoot or be shot. Because there is always the assumption they have a gun. Something we just don't have in the uk.

AngryGreasedSantaCatcus · 02/09/2023 09:12

Poppyblush · 02/09/2023 07:43

The woman was driving at the cop in a car ffs!!! She had been accused of stealing!! Why not just stop???

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The penalty for shoplifting is not the death sentence.
The penalty for actually running someone over is not the death sentence.
The penalty for assaulting a police officer is not the death penalty.

Even if it was, the police are not and should not be judge,jury and executioner.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 02/09/2023 09:12

You probably wouldnt make a good police officer if you just let everyone go who threatened you

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That's not what people are saying and you know it. Event heard of proportionate response? Risk assessment?

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 02/09/2023 09:13

I'm pretty confident in that position having never handled a weapon in y life, from that close I could have shot a tyre out. And from stationary actually it wouldn't have been able to then move

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/09/2023 09:13

For those, saying she may have accidentally took her foot off the brake, I don’t think that is the case. She turned the steering wheel hard right whilst manoeuvring so I think she was showing intention of driving off… likely because she was scared and didn’t know what to do. Even if she actually intended to leave, this in no way excuses the actions of the police.

Brefugee · 02/09/2023 09:14

cakeorwine · 02/09/2023 08:53

I guess we only see the interactions that make the news (survivor bias) and we don't see the videos that show the police who are friendly. deescalating and don't go in like this.

I wonder if these videos are ever shown as training videos for US police with discussion on how to handle the situation?

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just lately I've seen plenty of clips of police and security in buildings acting correctly.
Last evening:
-a British policewoman being aggressive demanding a bystanders name, and them knowing their rights asking her colleague to confirm to her that they didn't have to comply with her request (she stomped off angrily)
-a US federal building security guard confirming to a member of staff that anyone can film in the lobby and public areas and that if she doesn't want to be filmed she needs to go in her office
-a us cop doing a traffic stop (driver was filming, i think he's black) he was only possibly a potential witness, and stated that he wasn't required to answer any questions, cop agreed, said "have a good day" and calmly walked back to his car

And sure, US police are scared they might get shot - they don't get forcibly drafted into the force, they choose that danger. (incidentally: anyone in the US might get shot at any point, they aren't special although i do agree that some people might see them as targets because of the uniform)

Cas112 · 02/09/2023 09:15

Poppyblush · 02/09/2023 07:50

But if police say stop, why not stop???

Ok so that means kill her for not complying Confused get a grip

MentholLoad · 02/09/2023 09:16

BMW6 · 02/09/2023 08:59

Yep. It's become a "kill or be killed" mindset.

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and then demonise Black kids for gang culture...which is born of the exact same fear

LlynTegid · 02/09/2023 09:16

Be glad that for all the failings of the police service in the UK, armed police are the exception not the standard practice.

KimberleyClark · 02/09/2023 09:19

Poppyblush · 02/09/2023 07:50

But if police say stop, why not stop???

This. It was mad of her to try to drive away when police were telling her not to. That said they shouldn’t have shot her.

MentholLoad · 02/09/2023 09:20

KimberleyClark · 02/09/2023 09:19

This. It was mad of her to try to drive away when police were telling her not to. That said they shouldn’t have shot her.

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and so do you think the police was right to shoot her?

PuttingDownRoots · 02/09/2023 09:20

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 02/09/2023 09:13

I'm pretty confident in that position having never handled a weapon in y life, from that close I could have shot a tyre out. And from stationary actually it wouldn't have been able to then move

Its harder than it looks... the gun will recoil as you fire it causing your aim to move. A lot of the practice with shooting is keeping the gun still as it fires.

gillygeey · 02/09/2023 09:21

I'm pretty confident in that position having never handled a weapon in y life, from that close I could have shot a tyre out.

Im pretty confident that if you've never shot anything before it's unlikely you would hit any target!

KimberleyClark · 02/09/2023 09:23

MentholLoad · 02/09/2023 09:20

and so do you think the police was right to shoot her?

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Read my post again. I’ve given you the answer.